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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and we have an unusual

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show this evening you know generally I

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say my shows are safe for work you can

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have you don't have to wear earbuds you

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can just blast it away and you know

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people don't talk about too

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controversial things but I think we're

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gonna be talking a little bit a little

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bit about sex in this show so just keep

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that in mind so it's a different type of

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now I actually watched the movie it's

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called love and saucers the producer

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filmmaker director is Brad Abraham's our

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guests this evening great guy so I

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watched this show with trying to have an

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open mind

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it was really kind of strange but

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interesting at the same time quite a

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concept so we're going to be talking

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about that before the for Brad comes on

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we have Alejandro Rojas coming up with

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UFO updates and if you support the show

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pretty great things his name is Evan

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he's doing some great things with video

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should be a little bit better hopefully

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that's back and running and also we are

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at 10:00 to midnight a lot of people

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supports the show without you supporting

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the show I couldn't afford to do it so I

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do appreciate it a lot

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and I'm really

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looking forward to doing our show the

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week after next which is going to be

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live out at the UFO Congress and guess

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who's going to be there alejandro

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welcome to the show

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hello yes I will be there I hope you are

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better than you better show up so I bet

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your little salute to that you are

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working like crazy trying to get all

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that done I am I know you know I put on

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many events throughout my life you know

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big auctions and things like that helped

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out with a lot of events and I know how

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much work that can be people don't

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understand how much work it is but it's

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a lot they don't understand yeah they

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just see you up the air in your nice

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little tux and doing your deal when

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there's many many hours and weeks and

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months of planning that goes into this

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but it's going to be a great one this

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year I can't I can't wait for it I think

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so really excited busy busy

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I don't know you can see a little bit of

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disaster in the background although I

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think it's always been a disaster in the

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background when I am doing the Home

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Office video but yes really busy putting

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everything together

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very excited though yeah that I've seen

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it completely but we the interview with

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Luiz Elizondo the guy who ran the DoD

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program the advanced aerospace threat

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identification program our exclusive

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interview with questions from you all so

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I don't know some of your listeners

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probably said to men but that's been

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recorded he said he answered as many

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questions as he could Wow so it's in the

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can oh my goodness I can't wait and

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you're gonna be actually premiering that

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it's gonna be during the conference

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itself right at the conference it'll be

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kind of the premier lectures but

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then after that will be the exciting

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award ceremony all right well again I

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had so much fun especially the last time

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I went the first time I couldn't stay

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the whole show the last time it was just

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magical I can't wait to get into that

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beautiful in there you know the resort

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fantastic and I can't wait for warm

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weather my goodness hmm it's a you know

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I've been freezing here yeah I don't

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know about today I've been stuck inside

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but yesterday it got up to 80 nice

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that's what I'm looking for

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mm-hmm sunny skies yeah that's right so

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what's happening in the UFO world what's

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happening so a couple things said 'i did

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a podcast about the DoD program new UFO

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evidence they called it I really didn't

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hear much I read a little bit about it

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and I didn't listen because to be honest

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I love you mr. Sestak but listening to

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you talk about UFOs is a complete waste

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of time because you're not educated on

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the topic so and which is frustrating

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because he's a you know a scientist and

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I don't like it when Sanctus kind of

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talk out of their butt and and he's so

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it's very frustrating and what's funny

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and I would love to get him one day to

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talk to him and and debate a little bit

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with him because he has a great sense of

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humor but he does all of this talk about

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you know every all of his lectures are

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about how there are aliens out there and

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intelligent aliens out there and there

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has to be and he does the statistics the

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math and they've got to be out there so

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it's just so close-minded and silly for

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him just to not even consider the

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possibilities that could exist and

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what's even more frustrating is that

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this UFO evidence like the title they've

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used doesn't necessarily have anything

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to do with aliens which then really

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takes it completely out of the realm of

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his specialty so they just love to bash

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I think and belittle which is

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frustrating because they used to be in

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that spot they used to be the fringe and

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people used to make fun of the whole

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SETI program and now that they're kind

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of on top and everybody's at least in

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the science world NASA space world is

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really on board with looking for alien

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life now they are just so dismissive

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so that was something interesting yeah

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you know I when I've had Seth on to two

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times on my show and I recently sent him

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an invite I haven't heard back from him

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he did tell me he gets about 4,000

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emails a month

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literally Wow so I understand that that

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it's hardly that you know to talk to

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everybody but I found you know I said to

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him during when I talked to him I said

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to him something along the lines well if

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they were actually visiting here and

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there was evidence of that what would it

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do to your job you know basically any

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then he said that he needed a wing in

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the Smithsonian full of you know crash

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sauces before he that would be enough

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evidence for a silly statement because

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that's not how science works you don't

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you know let's take the gorilla

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they didn't believe was real you don't

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wait and it's a scientist until they

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have a gorilla and a zoo before you

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start to investigate whether or not

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there's gorillas or not that's

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completely ridiculous and backwards what

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you do is based off of anecdotal

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evidence you go begin to investigate and

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gather some data and maybe you find

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something maybe you don't but these

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statements because you know Tyson made a

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similar comment until you know you can

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bring one to dinner well that's

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completely backwards are they bringing

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with our the matter are they bringing

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dark matter to dinner that is it see and

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that's a great point because you know

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people question even the the scientist

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who discovered that the universe is

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expanding which began to make them

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hypothesize that whether or not you know

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that dike there might be something

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called dark matter that that accounts

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for that that scientists she doesn't

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even believe in dark matter she thinks

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he answers and that is still a contested

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idea even though people like them

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astrophysicists especially take it for

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granted that it's a foregone conclusion

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when it's not so yeah that's a really

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great point and yeah so they're looking

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it so yeah oh good point right yeah

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so what otherwise yeah uh-huh and these

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are all in the headlights for people to

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look at if you go to open mind TV at the

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daily UFO headlines you'll see this of

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course there's some on the front page

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but if you go in the articles to drop

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down you can go see the rest of the

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daily UFO headlines and I want people to

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do this because there's another

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interesting one there and this is from

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the 29th

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what's that Monday the same day is the

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SETI Institute one this is a Gizmodo

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article and I don't know if you saw this

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one but this is a really fun one it's

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called

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if you find aliens who do you call and

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so here's what the gist of the article

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is they called who they thought you

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would call just to see what they would

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say and the answers were really

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interesting the first person they called

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was Shah stack and he gave kind of a

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nuanced answer an answer about here's

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what were looking for and then he goes

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on to kind of bash people who believe in

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other things but some of the other ones

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are really interesting so for example

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NASA they called NASA and said you do we

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call you and the nest said well we would

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probably send you to the DoD since our

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mission doesn't have to do with aliens

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then there was news that of this job

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opening for a planetary protection

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officer do you remember that yes yep

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they actually filled that position

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recently and there was a story about

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that which is really interesting but

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they asked the former one because this

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was they must have called a couple days

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ago and that person said well it depends

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if it's a big alien or small alien if

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it's intelligent it's probably going to

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have to go to the Air Force or maybe

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even the UN and so some really

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interesting the air base wing the 88th

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Air Base they called the public affairs

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and they said to be honest we don't know

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we don't have any guidance for for that

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sort of situation so they asked a bunch

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of people they asked the scientists

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Berkeley a lot of really interesting

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people those were some of the funnier

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answers but yeah really cool article and

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it's really an interesting article

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because it shows how much thought some

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of these people have put towards some of

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this and mostly it's been very little so

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yeah I love that article it's really

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interesting really fun so who did they

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find for that position and what what

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what is that person's background I don't

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know the job itself has to do with

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biology it's mainly looking for

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contaminants and their job is to make

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sure that the astronauts are not

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contaminating other planets as well as

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making sure they astronauts are not

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contaminating our planet so that would

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of course meet in life so but it's very

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interesting so that person kind of comes

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up with protocols around that sort of

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thing it's the actual job but I remember

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I think she would she's a biologist of

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some sort microbiologist

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mmm-hmm interesting well one more story

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yeah that is a lot of fun and this is

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Zachary Quinto is going to be the host

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of a reboot of in search of oh I talked

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to Marc Dantonio a little bit about this

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he's not just me just briefly he's gonna

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be involved in one of their shows that's

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great well yeah how fun is that yeah

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it's the History Channel that's going to

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be doing this and in search of if you

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don't remember you know it was with

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Leonard Nimoy oh boy yeah

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do you know who started it uh uh it was

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actually started by Rod Serling oh wow I

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didn't know that Wow

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yeah in fact I had a couple copies of

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this I don't know if I even do any more

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but the first couple of episodes were

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actually movie length and they were

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inspired by Daniken von Daniken and the

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ancient alien so they were around the

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ancient aliens topic they were kind of

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copying his movies to be honest

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and so they did a couple movies then Rod

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Serling was able to get it turned into a

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television show but he passed away

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before the show began

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so they got Leonard Nimoy to host it and

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of course they're so funky because

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they're the 70s music and oh yeah aiya

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such a weird show but a lot of fun

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really cool because it's kind of like

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sightings or something like that going

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over paranormal and stuff like that from

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the olden day so you got to explain this

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to the young guys because they're like

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what the heck is in church other or they

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maybe we've been wondering who Leonard

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Nimoy is but go Google in search of and

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you'll be able to see what these old

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episodes look like very very cool stuff

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lots of interesting interviews that they

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got back then on all of these topics so

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to really fund that they're going to be

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rebooting it I'm a fan of Zachary Quinto

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of course he's Spock who paid placed a

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new Spock where Leonard Nimoy used to

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play Spock so that's where the link is

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and it's kind of cool

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Wow in New York we we ran into him I saw

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him coming out of a shop and he walked

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over yeah off a Broadway and and it was

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kind of cool to see him very tall

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gentleman is he well yeah hey did you

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happen to catch the interview with Hal

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put off the other night I didn't I've

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read about it I've been so swamped of

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course that I haven't had the time to

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listen yeah I've read those comments and

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everything but that's what another great

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point that he'll put off and dr. Eric

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Davis were that's very ya on coast to

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coast and that's interesting because

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they worked with Bigelow so they were

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part of Bigelow's program mids which is

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a National Institute of Discovery

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Sciences which later became bass which

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was his Bigelow Aerospace it advanced

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Aeronautics something like that was what

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bass stood for but essentially is a

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department or they looked into UFOs and

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stuff and skinwalker ranch so where

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Davis actually has I'm not sure if he

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spoke about these that come on show but

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some really interesting stories related

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to

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skinwalker ranch he did talk a little

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bit about it the some of the things that

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how put off talked about are just

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amazing and I'm hoping to hear him talk

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more about it the interview went way too

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fast but one of the things that you

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don't really hear a lot about is there's

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so much cooperating radar evidence along

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with the say for instance the Nimitz

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sighting there's so much more to that

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than what meets the eye and people look

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at the video and you know and just say

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it's you know it's a hoax or it's this

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or that but they don't know the

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background of it he talks about the

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background of it it's fascinating yeah

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that's great because that's one thing

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that's been a bit frustrating is that we

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have this little bit few seconds of a

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clip of a video and people have made so

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much out of this they've analyzed that

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said they've come to certain conclusions

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but you certainly can't some of them

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some of the skeptics of course coming to

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different conclusions and they feel that

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the DoD came to you but there's so much

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more evidence out there they haven't

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even seen the whole case and they're

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they're building everything off of this

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little clip and iid get information the

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reason why that clip is so small is they

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can't include in the clip anything

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that's classified and of course many of

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the systems or even the protocols and

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how they talk to each other there's so

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much classified around you know live

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active military projects or programs or

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missions that there's very little you

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could share publicly yes also I noticed

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that Hal was very cautious about what he

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talked about and he did mention there

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are there's still quite a bit involved

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in this that is still classified that he

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can't talk about but he did

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it's definitely if you get a chance to

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check it out it's a great interview

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anyone that it has a coast-to-coast

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membership or whatever it is it's it's

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one of the better interviews I've heard

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in a long time it's great I think it's

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up on YouTube

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because you know how people will put

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them up on YouTube and you're not

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supposed to you with coast to coast but

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so it might get taken down eventually

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but I know I someone had sent me a link

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it's up on YouTube right right I think

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that's down already

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I actually looked for it just before the

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show it's gone yeah well just subscribe

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it's not that expensive to subscribe to

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the coasts thing if you want that's

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right and so we will meet one more time

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before the before the UFO Congress in a

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couple weeks that is correct my friend

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all right so thanks so much Alejandro

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and I'll talk to you next week

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my pleasure and it's UFO Congress calm

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to register I guess we should tell

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people that yeah UFO congress.com calm

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all right have a good one

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All Right see ya talk to you later

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alright everyone saw our guest is it's

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Brad Abraham's and he is a documentary

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filmmaker and a commercial director from

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Canada

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he is currently based in the US I think

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he's in sunny warm Florida right now and

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his all-consuming interests are radical

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science crypto solid quick I always have

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a problem with that word cryptozoology

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and general esoterica inspired by

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stories and eleven saucers we're going

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to be talking about as his first

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feature-length film and it's a good one

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I watched it actually two times

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Brad welcome to the show I hear yes

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thank you and good to have you on I

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wanted to ask first of all what sparked

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your interest in this type of you know

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oh by the way if you're watching on

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YouTube there's a painting in the

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background right behind Brad yeah that's

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one of that's one of David's original

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paintings and he he gave that to me

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after we finished shooting with him yeah

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yeah

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so what sparked your interest in the

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whole topic just as I read you had all

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these interests yeah it's been lifelong

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um just always had a sort of hunger and

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drive to explore the unknown or the sort

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of little little-known topics that you

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really have to search for to learn about

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so you know I started reading the 14

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times magazine when I was younger and

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and it just blossomed from there so I

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consider myself a fourteen

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and have you had you done any short

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films along the lines of this or yeah

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yeah I did one recently a cryptozoology

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themed short film that was on the skunk

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ape which is the bigfoot of the Florida

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Everglades I wanted to do something sort

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of in my own backyard and that's it's

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actually going to be playing if you're

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in the Bay Area in March there's a

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Bigfoot Bonanza a Bigfoot themed

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screening at the Balboa theater if you

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want to catch it on the big screen and

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well yeah that's that's the the closest

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short film that I've done around these

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topics and then I am in production or

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pre-production on a feature-length

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cryptozoology film oh we have we have

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done

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I had another show for a short time

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called the everything else and what it

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was is I wanted to talk about other

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topics on this show but you know people

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were listening because they want to hear

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a UFO show so I had two shows going

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which was too much for I'm a pretty busy

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guy in general I just couldn't do about

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shows but we did have some interesting

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shows and interesting people on and this

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is this it's another mystery

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you know another mystery to explore sure

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yeah and there's also you know subsets

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of belief that that they're related you

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know that all all of these experiences

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are are related um yeah but yeah that's

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that's a whole other topic to get into

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yeah that's right

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so Michael Huggins interesting guy

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well that's Michael's his son it's David

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as well I'm sorry David David that's

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right

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yeah pardon me so david huggins

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interesting guy you want to tell the

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listener a little bit well first of all

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how did you even find him and and is

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this something you heard about or how

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did that oh yes it was years ago I think

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like 2012 or 2011 I was on like a

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cross-country bus trip and had loaded up

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my ipod with just a bunch of podcasts

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and one of them was on

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the abduction experience and they talk

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about various abductees and experiencers

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and they mentioned David sort of offhand

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like it was it was to two out there into

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bizarre to even include in their show

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and the line that they I remember

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clearly was that

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then there's david huggins who fathered

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a hundred space babies throughout the

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galaxy and that obviously stuck with me

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and i made in a mental note like i've

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got to search this out when i'm back and

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i tried to and there was almost nothing

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online about him which was interesting

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you know i think coming from my

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generation if something's not online

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that doesn't exist so i had to do a lot

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of sleuthing and eventually tracked down

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his neighbor there at your zoo maybe

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some some of your listeners have heard

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of her she's another experiencer who

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happened to be his neighbor and she had

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done a photo book of his paintings and

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so that sort of gave me a introduction

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to him and his work and also gave me his

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phone number and so i called him up sort

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of a cold call he since he didn't do

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email and and just pitched an idea to

543
00:23:56,890 --> 00:23:54,650
him just that I'd like to do some sort

544
00:24:00,250 --> 00:23:56,900
of film and he was surprisingly he was

545
00:24:01,899 --> 00:24:00,260
immediately receptive and I learned that

546
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:01,909
you know very few people contact him

547
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:03,890
because it's almost impossible to find

548
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,130
his his information and did you have any

549
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:11,840
hesitancy and he hasn't we're you

550
00:24:16,779 --> 00:24:14,570
hesitant at all to take this type of

551
00:24:20,350 --> 00:24:16,789
project on you know since it's so far

552
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:20,360
out there yeah well the main question

553
00:24:25,529 --> 00:24:23,450
you know with any film project is is is

554
00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:25,539
there like a story here that can sustain

555
00:24:31,659 --> 00:24:29,780
an hour or more and I thought that you

556
00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:31,669
know it was definitely worth trying and

557
00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:33,260
and the first thing that he said to me

558
00:24:38,830 --> 00:24:36,460
when when we chatted on the phone was

559
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:38,840
Brad I don't know much but what I do

560
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,210
know for sure is at 17 I lost my

561
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:43,039
virginity to an extraterrestrial woman

562
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:48,370
and just that sort of was insane okay

563
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:49,860
it's

564
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:52,260
thought at least I'll go you know visit

565
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,910
for a few days and film and see if

566
00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:55,200
there's there's something here to end

567
00:25:04,940 --> 00:25:01,190
uh-huh and and were you there a long

568
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:04,950
time did yous did you stay in in Hoboken

569
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:07,799
yeah actually just a few days at first

570
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:12,059
and I actually I stayed at his house no

571
00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:15,480
I shouldn't yeah he offered and and I

572
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:17,640
accepted you know funding it myself it

573
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:21,360
was like a welcome invitation and and I

574
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:24,120
actually slept in his ex-wife's bed she

575
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:27,419
was he lives with her and she was on

576
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,330
vacation yeah and and so I got the full

577
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:33,059
experience and you know I wake up and

578
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:35,370
start filming and and film all up until

579
00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:37,380
nighttime when he would go to bed and

580
00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:39,780
just got a real great sense of like who

581
00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:44,340
he was his story and I still wasn't

582
00:25:49,159 --> 00:25:47,040
quite sure after that trip if if I was

583
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:49,169
going to pursue it but when I put up a

584
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:52,980
trailer a couple years later it just

585
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,080
exploded with interest there's like

586
00:26:01,760 --> 00:25:57,240
hundreds of thousands of views it got a

587
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:01,770
lot of press so I I was able to drum up

588
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:04,500
some funds to to actually finish it and

589
00:26:08,659 --> 00:26:05,910
make it into a feature so a few years

590
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:08,669
later and over the course of a year

591
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:11,640
finished filming with him a friend of

592
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:15,120
mine contacted me tonight he's he's

593
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:18,690
listening he's he actually is he's one

594
00:26:23,780 --> 00:26:19,799
of these people that watches a

595
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,790
drawbridge that's his job so he gets a

596
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,559
lot of downtime he writes he has all

597
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:27,299
kinds of things and so he's listening

598
00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:29,790
tonight and I told him the theme of the

599
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:33,750
story and he goes oh the the two most

600
00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:36,600
searched things on the internet sex in

601
00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:38,790
UFOs great together

602
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:41,280
yeah so yeah that's why that exploded

603
00:26:47,299 --> 00:26:43,530
I'm sure that yeah give me a fire roll

604
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:47,309
yeah so when you're when you're filming

605
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:49,470
this and you're seeing him and talking

606
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:52,830
to him talking to him I - I how do you

607
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,890
feel do you feel like what he's saying

608
00:26:59,900 --> 00:26:58,320
is credible and of course I want to know

609
00:27:03,620 --> 00:26:59,910
some of the details we got to talk about

610
00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:03,630
some of the details yeah so

611
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:06,660
and it's not just me but it's as soon as

612
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:11,930
I met him I sort of was disarmed by how

613
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:16,410
down to earth he is simply spoken very

614
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,970
direct doesn't mince words and is just

615
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:23,520
not not who you think he's going to be

616
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:26,910
when you meet him and I was impressed by

617
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:29,460
that and it made me you know I already

618
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,050
came into it with an open mind because

619
00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:34,020
what's what's the point otherwise but it

620
00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:37,470
actually opened my mind more and and

621
00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:39,540
made me more receptive to to consider

622
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:43,350
what he's saying more seriously and

623
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:45,720
since then like the crew when when I

624
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:47,040
introduced him to the crew later on

625
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:48,840
that's what what each person said

626
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:50,730
meeting him was wow like you know he's

627
00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:53,190
he's just like a sweet older guy and

628
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:55,470
then the same for his neighbors that met

629
00:28:00,770 --> 00:27:57,690
him and then same for you know everyone

630
00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:00,780
else that's met him since then so that

631
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:02,550
that just meeting him in person and I

632
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:06,360
tried to convey that in the film to can

633
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:09,810
really shift your your beliefs alone

634
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:11,940
from what he's actually telling you

635
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:16,530
right right that part when he in the

636
00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:19,140
film when he actually tells his now

637
00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:24,060
ex-wife the whole deal that was you know

638
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:26,040
he basically is like he's coming out to

639
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:28,740
her saying this happened and that was it

640
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:29,880
that was the end of the relationship

641
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,920
right is that what yeah that kind of

642
00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:33,840
what happened yeah and I and I don't

643
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:36,660
know you know he's he wouldn't talk to

644
00:28:42,970 --> 00:28:40,740
me about that for four years and so it's

645
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:42,980
I don't know how much more is going on

646
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:46,110
there but it seemed like that was the

647
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:51,330
main impetus for their divorce was she

648
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:52,740
just didn't I guess know how to process

649
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:55,530
it at the time and really how how do you

650
00:29:03,650 --> 00:28:59,010
if you you know didn't see that coming

651
00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:03,660
so I think it was I think it was maybe

652
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:04,830
the last straw maybe there was another

653
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,230
strain on the marriage but yeah it

654
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:10,500
caused a divorce but I think very unique

655
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:14,430
to divorce couples they actually moved

656
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:16,440
in together shortly after a part of it

657
00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:17,340
was there

658
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:18,780
son who was young at the time it was

659
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:20,970
really hard on him the separation and

660
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:22,850
and then they actually like each other

661
00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:27,120
and they're good friends so it's just

662
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:28,940
you know a friendship non romantic

663
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,350
roommates basically now and they've been

664
00:29:35,030 --> 00:29:33,000
living together for for twenty years and

665
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:35,040
I think that also says something about

666
00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:36,810
David that is even his ex-wife or going

667
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:39,540
back in with him yes I want to say a

668
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,510
little shout out to Mike Blake in the

669
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:44,820
chatroom I know you've had some medical

670
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:46,470
issues it's good to see you in there I

671
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,210
hope you hope you're doing okay and I

672
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:51,000
hope you I hope you hang in there and

673
00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:52,770
keep going

674
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,040
so by the way we do have a chat room

675
00:30:00,620 --> 00:29:58,860
they will be asking we'll be getting

676
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:00,630
some questions from that later on okay

677
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:03,240
we also do take calls occasionally we

678
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:06,150
get calls coming in and all right so

679
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:11,610
back to back to David so he he thinks

680
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,850
things have happened when he was started

681
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,200
up with I think it was eight years old

682
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:18,480
right is that when he exactly yeah yeah

683
00:30:23,270 --> 00:30:21,480
how's that eight so why don't you kind

684
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:23,280
of give a little background of what some

685
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:24,840
of the things he was talking about that

686
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:27,840
happened to him yeah they started off

687
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,370
like pretty classic abductor experience

688
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,840
so when he was eight actually the very

689
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:36,240
first one was was odd that was that

690
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,870
almost mini Bigfoot a little hairy guy

691
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:42,120
as he called him coming out of the

692
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:43,710
forest when when he was playing outside

693
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:46,860
and and actually having the feeling that

694
00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:49,890
that he was looking at himself through

695
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:53,550
the eyes of this beast and then got

696
00:30:57,860 --> 00:30:56,340
terrified and and ran away so that was

697
00:31:00,500 --> 00:30:57,870
the very first experience then the

698
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:00,510
second was with a an insect or

699
00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:04,050
mantis-like creature and another like

700
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:05,280
terrifying experience for an

701
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:08,520
eight-year-old and then and those were

702
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:10,130
both like broad-daylight

703
00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:13,770
experiences around his house and then

704
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:16,350
the the third was the real classic

705
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:22,740
experience where the the greys came into

706
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:26,730
his bedroom while he was still awake and

707
00:31:31,289 --> 00:31:29,820
led him outside and then you can see in

708
00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:31,299
the painting on my wall

709
00:31:41,869 --> 00:31:37,350
sort of floated him up to the craft and

710
00:31:46,109 --> 00:31:41,879
they inside he met the woman and

711
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:46,119
implanted some kind of device up his

712
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:49,690
nose and then he woke up the next day

713
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:54,159
and had a nosebleed and that's that's

714
00:31:59,489 --> 00:31:57,070
how it how it all started for him and

715
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,499
then the the that was the only time

716
00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:02,320
where he you know felt pain or sort of

717
00:32:09,659 --> 00:32:06,820
like abused but since then it was a lot

718
00:32:13,169 --> 00:32:09,669
of classic UFO type experiences you know

719
00:32:15,629 --> 00:32:13,179
like being in the craft going through

720
00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:15,639
portals seeing and hearing things

721
00:32:23,639 --> 00:32:18,340
meeting different beings and it was

722
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:23,649
wasn't until he was 17 that the real

723
00:32:29,159 --> 00:32:25,929
like formative experience happened which

724
00:32:32,539 --> 00:32:29,169
was losing his virginity to that

725
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,549
extraterrestrial quote-unquote female

726
00:32:36,869 --> 00:32:34,720
and I found it was interesting that they

727
00:32:39,659 --> 00:32:36,879
they at least waited for him to be like

728
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:39,669
I've aged before before it happened

729
00:32:43,049 --> 00:32:41,470
which is it's kind of nice you know

730
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:43,059
makes it I think if this be a very

731
00:32:46,889 --> 00:32:44,529
different feeling a very different story

732
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:46,899
if if it had been otherwise but that's

733
00:32:55,979 --> 00:32:50,049
like a when you're 17 it's sort of not

734
00:32:58,259 --> 00:32:55,989
not quite as traumatic yeah and when he

735
00:33:02,609 --> 00:32:58,269
when he's explaining you know this this

736
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:02,619
happening does he I mean it just kind of

737
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:04,840
like naturally happened according to his

738
00:33:11,099 --> 00:33:09,429
story but is it was it something that do

739
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:11,109
you think that he was like looking

740
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,820
forward to happening again and you know

741
00:33:16,649 --> 00:33:14,799
I mean I mean if these things were

742
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:16,659
really happening you know I think it'd

743
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:18,070
be like the weirdest thing in the world

744
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:23,049
I couldn't imagine yeah at first at

745
00:33:30,779 --> 00:33:27,070
first he didn't know what to think

746
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,789
very bizarre obviously especially being

747
00:33:38,099 --> 00:33:33,519
his first like sexual experience but as

748
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:38,109
he got a bit older like into his 20s he

749
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:39,940
really did start looking forward to it

750
00:33:48,539 --> 00:33:44,169
and and actually like felt

751
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:48,549
a bond and even like a love for this

752
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:50,950
female and and there would be very

753
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,450
frequent visits for a time uh-huh you

754
00:34:00,570 --> 00:33:56,799
know some of the people you interviewed

755
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:00,580
in the film was one of them I thought

756
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:03,250
was really great was the deli owner the

757
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,230
owner of the deli that he worked at work

758
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:07,919
part he works part-time in a deli and

759
00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:11,919
the guy's like no judgment you know and

760
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:16,780
and he believes him yeah exactly and it

761
00:34:22,139 --> 00:34:18,659
was great to hear like coming from this

762
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:22,149
you know Italian guy Italian immigrant

763
00:34:28,619 --> 00:34:26,470
older guy who I thought before meeting

764
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:28,629
him that he'd be like yeah you know it's

765
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:30,730
really crazy that he thinks this but

766
00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:34,480
he's a good guy so whatever but but no

767
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:36,940
he was it was so refreshing that he he

768
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:38,950
came at it from a completely like

769
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:40,750
non-judgmental perspective and he's like

770
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:41,889
you know I haven't seen any of these

771
00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:49,089
guys or met anyway I haven't believed

772
00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:50,830
him just I believe in my book I believe

773
00:34:57,859 --> 00:34:55,060
you know what he says now how about you

774
00:35:03,270 --> 00:34:57,869
how do you do you what do you believe

775
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,280
hey that's that's complex because I

776
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:04,720
don't think anyone really knows for

777
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:06,250
certain it's hard it's hard to be

778
00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:08,470
definitive about it but I can say that I

779
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:12,460
believe him close to you know a hundred

780
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:16,080
percent in that he's describing

781
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:19,930
experiences as he experienced them and

782
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:22,990
as he paints them very vividly that he's

783
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:25,180
he's had these experiences and and and

784
00:35:32,579 --> 00:35:28,510
remembers these experiences if if those

785
00:35:35,579 --> 00:35:32,589
happened in sort of hard reality like

786
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:35,589
let's say if if someone was there with

787
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:37,450
him would they have seen that same thing

788
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:39,730
I don't know and that's the harder

789
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:43,990
question to answer and also are these is

790
00:35:50,849 --> 00:35:47,770
it literal are these extraterrestrials

791
00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:50,859
that are you know flying in a ship from

792
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:53,980
out there to visit him

793
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:56,380
and abduct him that's another question

794
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,850
as well or is it is it an

795
00:36:00,930 --> 00:35:59,680
other experience and this is as he

796
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:00,940
remembers it you know what they call

797
00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:04,090
screens or memory screens which I think

798
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:06,270
there's there's you know 10 or more

799
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:09,730
different levels of belief but what's

800
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:11,800
most important is that I believe him and

801
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:14,170
I believe other people who are are

802
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:18,300
relaying their experiences but can't say

803
00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:21,750
for certain what those experiences

804
00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:25,180
really are like if if they're taken at

805
00:36:30,810 --> 00:36:28,270
face value or not you know I've always

806
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:30,820
wondered when people that are talking

807
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:34,630
you know about their experiences that

808
00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:37,390
they happen repeatedly I always wonder

809
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:40,420
why would it happen repeatedly you know

810
00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:43,840
yeah in in real life to this same person

811
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:47,020
over and over again you know is that is

812
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:48,790
that something you have you talked to

813
00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:51,730
him about yeah and a lot of you know

814
00:37:00,750 --> 00:36:56,680
real famous lasting abductee experiences

815
00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:00,760
are one-time events so I think David's

816
00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:02,440
there you know there are there others

817
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,020
like streamers who who happened multiple

818
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:07,380
times but I think it's in the minority

819
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:11,650
and makes his case unique especially I

820
00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:13,000
think there's over like a hundred of

821
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:19,600
these encounters and I've asked him why

822
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:22,180
why him and why he thinks they they

823
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:24,550
visit him so often and he doesn't really

824
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:26,890
know but he thinks if he had to wrack

825
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:28,360
his brain about it that it has to do

826
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:32,230
with the breeding and the creation of

827
00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:35,830
these hybrid children yeah you do hear

828
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:37,540
quite a bit of people you know

829
00:37:46,650 --> 00:37:40,870
discussing that possibility so he was in

830
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:46,660
rural rural rural Georgia basically but

831
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:49,990
did it follow him when he moved yeah

832
00:37:56,070 --> 00:37:53,920
yeah it it he actually moved twice so

833
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:56,080
from like one part of Georgia to another

834
00:38:02,190 --> 00:37:59,050
and and they followed and then when he

835
00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:02,200
moved to Manhattan and then later New

836
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:06,280
Jersey they followed as that's that's I

837
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:08,350
mean you hear that a lot and you know

838
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:10,600
maybe you know when they said they

839
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:11,770
implanted something in his

840
00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:14,260
knows maybe that was a homing device or

841
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:15,700
you know I mean that's that's what he

842
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:16,180
thinks

843
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:21,690
yeah yeah that speculation so what about

844
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:24,940
what about skeptics how does he deal

845
00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:29,020
with them yeah he pays them no mind at

846
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:32,350
all because he's not trying to prove

847
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:34,120
anything and he's not trying to prove

848
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:36,460
anything because he doesn't know what

849
00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:39,000
happened to him he's he's relaying

850
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:41,500
experiences as he you know as they

851
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:44,830
happen to him but he's not claiming to

852
00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:47,080
know where they're from what they're

853
00:38:58,050 --> 00:38:53,260
doing and why so he's not as I guess he

854
00:39:00,540 --> 00:38:58,060
doesn't have like a stake in the game so

855
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:00,550
when people say you know you're crazy or

856
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:01,690
this couldn't have happened he's like

857
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,400
well that's you know you can believe

858
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:06,640
that but I know what happened to me and

859
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:12,970
so he he just completely shrugs off any

860
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:18,370
kind of any kind of skeptics but he also

861
00:39:23,070 --> 00:39:21,610
says you know why would I why would I

862
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,080
like talk about these things these are

863
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:24,960
really like extremely embarrassing

864
00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:28,690
experiences to and something I think

865
00:39:34,290 --> 00:39:31,120
most people wouldn't want to talk about

866
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:34,300
publicly especially unless they were

867
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:38,110
integral to your story and so yeah

868
00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:41,970
that's that's another line that he uses

869
00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:45,340
uh-huh now I know that he read Budd

870
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:49,300
Hopkins book yeah and he probably read

871
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:50,830
that after Budd had already passed away

872
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,090
did he no no he it was before bud passed

873
00:39:58,860 --> 00:39:56,560
away and they actually chatted a few

874
00:40:01,880 --> 00:39:58,870
times and I think they met they met one

875
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:01,890
or two times as well yeah uh-huh

876
00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:05,110
the reason I was asking that if they did

877
00:40:12,930 --> 00:40:09,640
talk did bud actually think that his

878
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:12,940
story was unique or had he heard other

879
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:14,410
stories similar do you happen to know

880
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:18,730
that yeah I think he thought I mean

881
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:20,200
there's definitely aspects like if you

882
00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:22,590
read intruders there's a lot of similar

883
00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:26,230
aspects and which is probably why

884
00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:28,030
they triggered so many memories for

885
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:29,980
David but then there's about half are

886
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:32,260
more that aren't similar at all

887
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,230
that's surprised but yeah so I also know

888
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:40,960
that he you know in the film he says

889
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:42,910
that he goes to war there is a support

890
00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:44,170
group I don't know if he actually goes

891
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:46,900
to it but you did filming it was called

892
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:51,010
space yeah yeah that's Harold

893
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:54,760
Egan's group out in Brooklyn and I don't

894
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,609
know how often they meet anymore

895
00:41:00,599 --> 00:40:59,440
but yeah he would go to those those

896
00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:00,609
group meetings and they would often

897
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:03,400
bring like art that people experiences

898
00:41:08,430 --> 00:41:06,010
had created to share and I think he

899
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:08,440
found it you know if it at least made

900
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:10,330
him feel like he wasn't alone but

901
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:14,290
ultimately he stopped going it wasn't so

902
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:16,420
helpful for him because I think it's

903
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,330
most helpful for people that it's you

904
00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:22,240
know where there was a trauma and they

905
00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:23,800
still have a lot of unanswered questions

906
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,270
and maybe aren't remembering everything

907
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:28,240
but for David uniquely he remembers

908
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:31,690
everything and he had a good time you

909
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:35,050
know like he he enjoyed it it it wasn't

910
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:37,420
like most people like a terrifying

911
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:39,730
horrible experience it was largely

912
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:42,190
positive I mean for him when I look at

913
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:43,480
all the experiences I don't know if I

914
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:46,720
would call them that but for David it

915
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:50,020
was it was a good time

916
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:54,280
so now has his ex-wife is living with

917
00:42:04,500 --> 00:41:57,310
him has anything happened to your

918
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:04,510
knowledge whilst they were together no I

919
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:08,320
don't think so yeah I'm I think that

920
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:10,930
well they were together I don't think he

921
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:15,780
remembers anything happening I see and

922
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:19,930
now has anything happened since they had

923
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:23,970
their divorce or got separated I mean I

924
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:28,960
yeah but since his sort of older age the

925
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,220
last 20 years or so the the encounters

926
00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:36,640
have not only diminished like greatly in

927
00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:39,940
in frequency but also in quality so now

928
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:43,060
sort of more dreamlike and they're not

929
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:46,320
like these vivid waking daytime

930
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:48,780
experiences they're more like

931
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:52,780
impressions so I think since since which

932
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:56,230
is also interesting because as you get

933
00:43:01,890 --> 00:42:57,970
older you know your reproductive

934
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:01,900
capabilities also probably diminish as

935
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,180
well and and it seems like the aliens

936
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:06,640
interest in him diminished around that

937
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:11,460
time as well yeah about that I know a

938
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:14,010
lot of people that claim their

939
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:17,650
experiences do also say that you know

940
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,710
later on in life things stop so I mean

941
00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:22,960
you do hear that you do hear that loud I

942
00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:26,320
haven't had too many experience or tight

943
00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:29,860
people on this show I've had a few you

944
00:43:35,070 --> 00:43:31,240
know there's some noted ones like the

945
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:35,080
Travis Walton the allagash incident some

946
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:36,220
people from that I don't know if you

947
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:37,930
ever heard of that one

948
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,210
but there there are some encounters that

949
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:42,640
I think wow there's really something to

950
00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:45,610
this right you know I got to be honest

951
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:47,140
with you I'm a little on the fence on

952
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:50,500
this you know but it's I still think

953
00:43:55,830 --> 00:43:53,890
it's interesting and I think it's also

954
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:55,840
interesting that he said you know he

955
00:43:58,740 --> 00:43:57,310
needed to start painting he never

956
00:44:02,700 --> 00:43:58,750
painted before so can you talk about

957
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:02,710
that yeah so he well he he had painted

958
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:05,470
but sort of recreationally doing some

959
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:08,220
still lives and landscapes uh-huh and

960
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:11,650
you know of like a medium talent level

961
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:15,730
and then I think during his the most

962
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:18,100
like psychologically difficult time for

963
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:19,570
him when he was trying to process these

964
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:22,930
experiences as an adult was going

965
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:25,210
through the divorce was was really

966
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,670
thinking he was he was losing it was

967
00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:29,680
losing it was his grip on reality you

968
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:31,120
know thinking people were there when

969
00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:34,330
they weren't not being able to sleep he

970
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:37,750
got a message from the beings or he had

971
00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:41,890
an encounter with them and they said you

972
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:47,470
should paint these experiences and did

973
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:51,820
it started yeah it we felt better he was

974
00:44:55,269 --> 00:44:53,180
able to sleep

975
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,279
the psychological difficulties we was

976
00:45:01,390 --> 00:44:58,640
having were gone everything changed once

977
00:45:04,089 --> 00:45:01,400
he started getting these these memories

978
00:45:07,630 --> 00:45:04,099
out and onto the canvas so it's sort of

979
00:45:09,759 --> 00:45:07,640
like a therapy and because of that I

980
00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:09,769
think something else that sort of you

981
00:45:13,539 --> 00:45:11,960
know I've heard a lot of people say he's

982
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:13,549
just trying to sell paintings but the

983
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:15,890
reality is he never showed anyone the

984
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:19,430
paintings for 20-something years until

985
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,730
we started filming he just once he

986
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:24,079
finished painting they just like went up

987
00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:27,049
against the wall in his attic and I

988
00:45:32,999 --> 00:45:30,740
think one of the only places they were

989
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:33,009
shown was like at random hair salon in

990
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:35,930
Hoboken which would be pretty pretty

991
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:38,450
trippy as a getting your nails done and

992
00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:42,470
seeing seeing these paintings yeah so so

993
00:45:47,529 --> 00:45:45,319
it seemed like an essential part of his

994
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:47,539
journey to do to do this art and I don't

995
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:49,700
think that that's that's too unique I

996
00:45:54,789 --> 00:45:52,970
think it's you know especially for for

997
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:54,799
you know paranormal supernatural or

998
00:46:00,190 --> 00:45:56,650
traumatic experiences expressing

999
00:46:01,930 --> 00:46:00,200
creatively in this way is is I think one

1000
00:46:03,489 --> 00:46:01,940
of the more effective ways to deal with

1001
00:46:05,499 --> 00:46:03,499
it as opposed to thinking about it like

1002
00:46:07,299 --> 00:46:05,509
analytically rationally thinking why did

1003
00:46:10,059 --> 00:46:07,309
it happen to me who are they what are

1004
00:46:12,460 --> 00:46:10,069
they instead it's a creative expression

1005
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:12,470
can get you much further than that yeah

1006
00:46:15,849 --> 00:46:14,089
it's kind of in a way it's kind of like

1007
00:46:18,099 --> 00:46:15,859
journaling I've heard a lot of people

1008
00:46:22,299 --> 00:46:18,109
who talk about journaling to word I

1009
00:46:25,529 --> 00:46:22,309
threw something yeah so I'm curious why

1010
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,539
and his depictions of these creatures

1011
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:28,400
why is her face white and the rest of

1012
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:32,180
them are flesh toned yeah so that's how

1013
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:38,630
he saw them and he thought maybe it's

1014
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:41,839
like they're wearing a mask that the

1015
00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:45,529
faces are a mask and who knows what's

1016
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:46,430
under that mask

1017
00:46:55,059 --> 00:46:51,650
and similarly with the hair he at one

1018
00:46:57,370 --> 00:46:55,069
point saw her with that with the hair

1019
00:46:59,499 --> 00:46:57,380
gone and and then she put it on sort of

1020
00:47:03,099 --> 00:46:59,509
like a wig and that she was actually

1021
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,109
bald like the the grays and that the

1022
00:47:06,609 --> 00:47:05,359
hair was more something to make them

1023
00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:06,619
look more

1024
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:10,910
human more you know attractive now did

1025
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,609
he ever I know that he had a variable

1026
00:47:18,279 --> 00:47:15,440
creatures were there ever any of the

1027
00:47:21,069 --> 00:47:18,289
so-called gray yeah there were there

1028
00:47:23,289 --> 00:47:21,079
were a lot of little grace yeah I just

1029
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:23,299
didn't remember that in the movie yeah

1030
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:28,430
and the Mantis that that's another one

1031
00:47:35,170 --> 00:47:32,690
that's brought up I can't oh that would

1032
00:47:37,799 --> 00:47:35,180
like be there as part of the team or you

1033
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:37,809
know you know it's funny I had I had a

1034
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:41,210
Kathy Martin that does a lot of work

1035
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:45,049
she's also Betty Hills nice but she does

1036
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:47,900
a lot of work on experiencers and okay a

1037
00:47:55,329 --> 00:47:50,420
lot of them claim this mantis type

1038
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:55,339
figure as among other type of creatures

1039
00:48:02,920 --> 00:47:58,249
altogether which is another bizarre

1040
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:02,930
thing yeah and the Mantis in David's

1041
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:05,690
case seemed almost like a chaperone like

1042
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:07,970
he was always just there especially when

1043
00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:09,890
there was a like a sexual encounter

1044
00:48:15,579 --> 00:48:11,420
going on the Mantis would just sort of

1045
00:48:18,609 --> 00:48:15,589
stay in the corner and watch and maybe

1046
00:48:21,130 --> 00:48:18,619
he was just a pervert but back on the

1047
00:48:24,279 --> 00:48:21,140
ship he he seemed to be the one who was

1048
00:48:26,019 --> 00:48:24,289
in charge so if they were questions like

1049
00:48:29,759 --> 00:48:26,029
David you know wanted to stay or he

1050
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:29,769
wanted to see the the hybrid children

1051
00:48:36,339 --> 00:48:32,089
they would always have to ask the Mantis

1052
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,349
so he seemed in the hierarchy higher up

1053
00:48:41,890 --> 00:48:38,720
there so let's talk about the children

1054
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:41,900
what did what did David know about those

1055
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:44,420
I know the babies were dying or

1056
00:48:50,349 --> 00:48:47,619
something at one time right yeah yeah so

1057
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:50,359
he knew that the the babies were his or

1058
00:48:55,989 --> 00:48:54,079
they said that they were his and that

1059
00:49:00,759 --> 00:48:55,999
they had sort of been incubated from

1060
00:49:01,989 --> 00:49:00,769
from his sperm collected who knows how I

1061
00:49:06,970 --> 00:49:01,999
think in different ways

1062
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:06,980
and that at first they were unhealthy or

1063
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,210
sick or dying and he had to make contact

1064
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:14,480
with them and then show the women how to

1065
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:17,390
nurse them how to hold them it seemed

1066
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:19,130
like they had no idea how to actually

1067
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:20,090
like care for

1068
00:49:27,010 --> 00:49:25,280
a baby and once he showed them then they

1069
00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:27,020
did a lot better and then over the years

1070
00:49:32,050 --> 00:49:29,720
David would once in a while get to visit

1071
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:32,060
them get to see them and they would grow

1072
00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:34,700
up looking more and more human but with

1073
00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:38,750
the bigger black eyes one of the things

1074
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:40,520
I've thought of in this type of

1075
00:49:45,820 --> 00:49:43,130
situation just you know just trying to

1076
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:45,830
work out in my mind how these things

1077
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:51,650
would work as if there were hybrid why

1078
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:53,420
would they stay on a ship I mean is the

1079
00:49:59,920 --> 00:49:56,960
ship you know I mean wouldn't they go

1080
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,930
back to a planet or I mean that just

1081
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,520
seems like the bizarre that they'd be

1082
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:04,160
always on a ship I mean I've heard other

1083
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:09,650
yeah say similar things yeah and also is

1084
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:11,030
the question like are they

1085
00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:14,690
extraterrestrial or not are they

1086
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:16,460
interdimensional maybe they're not from

1087
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,610
far away and maybe when they go

1088
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:21,920
somewhere it's not on a ship where by a

1089
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:24,770
ship but like that's another thing he

1090
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:26,300
said is maybe you know they're not

1091
00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:28,970
spacecraft but they're more like portals

1092
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:32,060
to other places did he actually talk

1093
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:34,310
about what it was like he mentioned

1094
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:37,010
going on a craft did he talk about what

1095
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:38,930
the interior was like on that craft at

1096
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:43,970
all yeah not very technological was what

1097
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:47,510
he remembered that it seemed like fairly

1098
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:53,030
simple clean bright quiet yeah it didn't

1099
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,490
didn't really mention too many details

1100
00:51:00,960 --> 00:50:58,400
but didn't seem like you know what we

1101
00:51:06,490 --> 00:51:00,970
would consider science fiction spaceship

1102
00:51:10,270 --> 00:51:06,500
huh yeah Travis Walton I'm sure you

1103
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:10,280
heard that name mhm yeah I tried to get

1104
00:51:15,580 --> 00:51:12,110
more details out of him from what he

1105
00:51:17,770 --> 00:51:15,590
remembered the inside of the ship and as

1106
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:17,780
far as I remember he talks about it

1107
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:21,170
being pretty simple right you know which

1108
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:25,190
is you know maybe you know I I have no

1109
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:28,130
idea like I said it's this this stuff is

1110
00:51:31,540 --> 00:51:29,690
kind of far out there for me but it's

1111
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:31,550
still you know it's still interesting to

1112
00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:33,300
talk about that's why you're on the show

1113
00:51:42,020 --> 00:51:39,260
I and so other experiencers that he has

1114
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:42,030
interacted with what do they think of

1115
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:47,370
his story I think that they are just

1116
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:49,380
impressed I think they believe him first

1117
00:51:55,220 --> 00:51:52,310
off I think they're just impressed by

1118
00:51:56,570 --> 00:51:55,230
the detail with which he remembers

1119
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:56,580
everything and I think that's because of

1120
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:00,720
his his skill as a painter able to sort

1121
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,370
of record things almost cinematically

1122
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,440
like that's what I thought when I first

1123
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:05,760
saw the paintings that each one is sort

1124
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:08,010
of like a movie scene or a shot in a

1125
00:52:17,330 --> 00:52:14,700
movie and that skill matically comes up

1126
00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:17,340
hold on just one minute just one second

1127
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:19,080
Damon is looking you have a technology

1128
00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:21,780
so you have some audio coming over

1129
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:25,080
things they are standing oh yeah sorry

1130
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:26,820
for the listener Lee we need the audio

1131
00:52:34,610 --> 00:52:31,800
are changed my name is david huggins I'm

1132
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:34,620
72 years old and I live in Hoboken New

1133
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:37,770
Jersey just exacting a perfectly normal

1134
00:52:42,590 --> 00:52:41,370
life until so I have audio ringing over

1135
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:42,600
I'm just gonna look the skin was just

1136
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:44,730
like especially your in the trailers

1137
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:48,270
link so it just was quiet okay I was so

1138
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:49,460
scared

1139
00:52:55,070 --> 00:52:52,710
the eyes were just glowing they hit the

1140
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:55,080
ground running straight toward okay

1141
00:53:00,380 --> 00:52:58,140
floated up to some types Oh for heaven

1142
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:00,390
me how about we have a party okay thank

1143
00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:01,849
you no no no

1144
00:53:06,430 --> 00:53:04,759
no no no let me let me try to do that

1145
00:53:10,449 --> 00:53:06,440
hang on a sister woman that never told

1146
00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:10,459
it yeah we try to do that when I was 17

1147
00:53:16,479 --> 00:53:13,180
I lost my virginity to a female

1148
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:16,489
extraterrestrial yes all right they need

1149
00:53:29,549 --> 00:53:26,339
all right hang on

1150
00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:29,559
ok sorry about that you probably didn't

1151
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:31,780
hear anything in your end but it went

1152
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:36,550
over on the YouTube channel so are you

1153
00:53:42,059 --> 00:53:38,950
there yeah yeah okay

1154
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:42,069
so that since that happened I don't have

1155
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:43,720
any idea where we work

1156
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:46,210
oh we were just talking about Jeffrey

1157
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,079
[\h__\h] so the idea that the abduction

1158
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:52,800
experience is is the same thing as

1159
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:55,450
mystical experience throughout the ages

1160
00:54:00,750 --> 00:53:57,700
so thousands of years five hundred years

1161
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:00,760
ago it could be religious in nature five

1162
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:02,260
hundred years before that you know

1163
00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:06,970
pantheistic Greek gods so on and so on

1164
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:09,640
that that these are the same types of

1165
00:54:16,859 --> 00:54:12,220
experiences but they get updated with

1166
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:16,869
the eras that we live in but that the

1167
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:18,970
source of the experience is the same and

1168
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,220
it's very real and it's happening to

1169
00:54:27,859 --> 00:54:23,760
these people but that it's not

1170
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,869
necessarily aliens or beings from

1171
00:54:32,789 --> 00:54:29,200
light-years away

1172
00:54:34,289 --> 00:54:32,799
travelling here abducting people for

1173
00:54:37,859 --> 00:54:34,299
whatever reason and then putting them

1174
00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:37,869
back that that it's not literally that

1175
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:40,180
but it is something serious that is

1176
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:43,510
happening but not sure what and I feel

1177
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:45,790
like that that's maybe an easier entry

1178
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:49,270
point for for skeptical people that

1179
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:51,490
there's there's crossover that that it's

1180
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:53,950
not just unique to alien abduction but

1181
00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:57,040
it's it's a shared mystical experience I

1182
00:55:02,910 --> 00:54:59,470
think you said something like science

1183
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,920
fiction is born from a paranormal

1184
00:55:07,799 --> 00:55:05,220
experience a lot of times

1185
00:55:11,010 --> 00:55:07,809
yes exactly he wrote a book called

1186
00:55:14,430 --> 00:55:11,020
mutants and mystics which it sort of

1187
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:14,440
goes through the the formative figures

1188
00:55:19,289 --> 00:55:16,020
in science fiction like philip k dick

1189
00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:19,299
Ray Palmer from fate magazine charles

1190
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:22,900
fort and and others and basically all of

1191
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:25,530
these people had sort of rich

1192
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:27,609
supernatural experiences in their life

1193
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:31,150
that drove them to create science

1194
00:55:37,950 --> 00:55:34,360
fiction and then

1195
00:55:41,850 --> 00:55:37,960
science fiction that they created was

1196
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:41,860
content for people's paranormal

1197
00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:43,630
experiences so it creates the sort of

1198
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:46,180
feedback loop so a lot of people think

1199
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:49,660
like they'll see David's wall of 2000

1200
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:52,150
VHS tapes and say oh well obviously it's

1201
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:54,430
he watches a ton of sci-fi so that's why

1202
00:56:00,450 --> 00:55:57,310
he's he's seen these things but the

1203
00:56:03,330 --> 00:56:00,460
reality is more like he had experiences

1204
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:03,340
and that's why he is compelled to to

1205
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:05,770
watch and and and collect all of the

1206
00:56:09,810 --> 00:56:08,260
science fiction right now that must have

1207
00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:09,820
been a really interesting conversation

1208
00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:14,800
with this professor yes and so yeah I

1209
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:16,360
mean I'd love to have someone like him

1210
00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:18,700
on this show just to talk I'm sure he'd

1211
00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:20,500
love to yeah he'd be an excellent

1212
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:22,270
interview for sure right right

1213
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:25,240
and you said that he had him personally

1214
00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:27,100
he personally had an experience I didn't

1215
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:28,600
I don't remember him talking about that

1216
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:34,720
yeah he he had a pretty like sexual

1217
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:37,510
experience as well but had more to do

1218
00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:40,530
with more like of a like a Hindu

1219
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:43,840
religious he was studying the Hindu

1220
00:56:51,260 --> 00:56:47,140
religion in India at the time and and

1221
00:56:57,380 --> 00:56:51,270
had this like very traumatizing but also

1222
00:57:00,900 --> 00:56:57,390
erotic experience with with Hindu

1223
00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:00,910
visuals and motifs know about that

1224
00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:02,470
mm-hmm

1225
00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:06,100
so if this is along his lines or his

1226
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:08,020
thoughts or his philosophy I know he

1227
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:12,610
actually is a has a philosophy degree as

1228
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:15,970
well as religious yeah background my

1229
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:20,710
studies in this case what he's talking

1230
00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:22,420
about

1231
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:25,540
so people are they're thinking that

1232
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:33,650
how does it get to be such a detailed

1233
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,110
situation like like David right I think

1234
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:40,960
I mean the analogy he uses is like light

1235
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:44,890
through stained glass so the stained

1236
00:57:49,089 --> 00:57:47,390
glass is the experience

1237
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:49,099
we remember you know the reflection of

1238
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:50,510
the stained glass those beautiful colors

1239
00:57:55,690 --> 00:57:53,510
and patterns but it's the light Excel

1240
00:57:57,519 --> 00:57:55,700
itself that's the experience and that's

1241
00:58:02,079 --> 00:57:57,529
the thing that that we can't really see

1242
00:58:04,509 --> 00:58:02,089
or know and that the details of

1243
00:58:08,259 --> 00:58:04,519
someone's experience like David it does

1244
00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:08,269
draw from the sort of popular culture

1245
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,180
that's around us just as human beings

1246
00:58:15,549 --> 00:58:12,799
we're impressionable you can't get away

1247
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:15,559
from that so it's things that you read

1248
00:58:20,769 --> 00:58:17,630
it's things that you watch just things

1249
00:58:24,849 --> 00:58:20,779
that you see in here are going to color

1250
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:24,859
these these complex formative type

1251
00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:28,670
experiences but that is not just that

1252
00:58:34,329 --> 00:58:31,190
and and it's you know it's a it's a

1253
00:58:38,109 --> 00:58:34,339
difficult tough thing to to try and

1254
00:58:41,049 --> 00:58:38,119
explain and work out did you ever talk

1255
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:41,059
to him about his childhood when these

1256
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:43,609
things were supposedly happening to him

1257
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:47,900
if he ever spoke about the situation to

1258
00:58:52,749 --> 00:58:50,569
anyone you know at during that time when

1259
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:52,759
him things were happening yeah he tried

1260
00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:55,430
to talk to his parents about it and it

1261
00:59:00,490 --> 00:58:57,640
didn't go well they thought he was lying

1262
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:00,500
and he got punished or like disciplined

1263
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:03,680
for it and that's another another detail

1264
00:59:09,069 --> 00:59:06,650
in his story is that he had like a

1265
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,079
pretty difficult childhood alcoholic

1266
00:59:16,029 --> 00:59:12,319
parents and they were yeah fairly

1267
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:16,039
abusive but I don't think enough that

1268
00:59:21,339 --> 00:59:17,750
would cause him to have you know this

1269
00:59:23,529 --> 00:59:21,349
whole escapist narrative he you know

1270
00:59:26,289 --> 00:59:23,539
this was rural Georgia in the 50s I

1271
00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:26,299
think probably a lot of people drank and

1272
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:28,630
a lot of people I mean it was normal to

1273
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,970
like discipline or hit your child they

1274
00:59:37,539 --> 00:59:33,920
even did it in school not that it was

1275
00:59:39,819 --> 00:59:37,549
good but that was not so uncommon so I

1276
00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:39,829
think that it probably the trauma the

1277
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:41,900
other thing that crippled said the

1278
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:44,569
trauma probably opens people up to these

1279
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:46,130
types of experiences makes you more

1280
00:59:50,049 --> 00:59:48,049
sensitive but that they aren't the cause

1281
00:59:53,460 --> 00:59:50,059
of them and they're not the only

1282
00:59:55,630 --> 00:59:53,470
explanation so I think I've had

1283
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,640
psychologists or psychiatrists come up

1284
01:00:01,090 --> 00:59:58,400
to me after seeing the film and just say

1285
01:00:04,270 --> 01:00:01,100
oh it's obviously you know he would

1286
01:00:05,890 --> 01:00:04,280
raped or you know this is from some kind

1287
01:00:10,780 --> 01:00:05,900
of sexual trauma but I think that that's

1288
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:10,790
just an easy quick way to rationalize it

1289
01:00:14,370 --> 01:00:12,110
but that it's it's not that simple

1290
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:14,380
things are more complex than than that

1291
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:17,570
had he ever seeked any you know

1292
01:00:24,970 --> 01:00:19,910
professional help as far as dealing with

1293
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:24,980
any of this no no he he didn't I think

1294
01:00:29,590 --> 01:00:27,770
he was going to but then once once he

1295
01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:29,600
started painting and started remembering

1296
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:32,390
everything he didn't think it was it was

1297
01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:35,330
worth it and I tried to get him to do

1298
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:39,740
hypnotic regression Oh more the film and

1299
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:42,520
he was initially open to it but then

1300
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:46,160
decided not to and his reasoning was he

1301
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:48,410
already remembers everything so what

1302
01:00:51,580 --> 01:00:49,730
would be the point and then I also

1303
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:51,590
thought maybe it wasn't the most

1304
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:55,280
responsible thing to have him do this on

1305
01:01:00,610 --> 01:00:57,770
camera like who knows what could have

1306
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:00,620
happened yeah that psychologically said

1307
01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:02,930
I know in a lot of I contacted like 20

1308
01:01:06,670 --> 01:01:05,240
hypnotherapist and only one said they'd

1309
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:06,680
agree to do it just because of how

1310
01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:10,630
sensitive of a situation it would be

1311
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:15,230
right right yeah I know that you know

1312
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:18,050
there are tapes for the Betty and Barney

1313
01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:22,400
Hill regressions that are really really

1314
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:25,640
quite scary quite haunting yeah oh yeah

1315
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:29,240
yeah so let's talk about the art show

1316
01:01:34,090 --> 01:01:31,450
how did all of that happen

1317
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:34,100
we engineered that so we did sort of

1318
01:01:38,050 --> 01:01:36,530
like a pop-up art show in Manhattan and

1319
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:38,060
the reason I just wanted to know like

1320
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:41,570
what did people outside of David like

1321
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:43,010
immediate sphere what would they think

1322
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:45,110
of his work it was sort of one of the

1323
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:48,710
first times unleashing it onto the

1324
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:52,490
public and it was a really great

1325
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:54,170
response I think part of that being like

1326
01:01:59,380 --> 01:01:56,330
it's Lower East Side Manhattan so it's

1327
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,390
like this hipster art crowd anyways that

1328
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:01,520
are gonna be open open to this but it

1329
01:02:08,490 --> 01:02:03,650
was such a neat contrast having these

1330
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:08,500
like young artsy kids and then this old

1331
01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:12,110
sort of out there David and they matched

1332
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:14,440
perfectly and they were almost like in

1333
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:18,310
of him and his stories I saw that yeah

1334
01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:20,050
yeah yeah it was real it was really

1335
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:21,640
fascinating to see and he was having

1336
01:02:25,859 --> 01:02:23,579
such a good time like seeing his work

1337
01:02:29,250 --> 01:02:25,869
appreciated and not being you know

1338
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,260
people not being too cynical so it was

1339
01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:31,359
it was like a great experience for him

1340
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:34,390
overall I think so I mean I could see

1341
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:35,170
that

1342
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:40,810
said the young people seemed to have an

1343
01:02:47,819 --> 01:02:44,230
open mind and they were curious and they

1344
01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:47,829
were really fascinated by by the pieces

1345
01:02:52,109 --> 01:02:49,630
and then started interacting with him

1346
01:02:53,579 --> 01:02:52,119
yeah which all good stuff that must have

1347
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:53,589
been real good for him I don't know if

1348
01:02:59,490 --> 01:02:56,410
he sold anything but he did yeah it

1349
01:03:02,790 --> 01:02:59,500
helped him so yeah and he had not even

1350
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:02,800
thought about it we had to sort of push

1351
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:05,410
him like it's okay you can sell your

1352
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:09,910
work it's you know he's lives on one day

1353
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:12,400
a week part-time job and then you know

1354
01:03:18,569 --> 01:03:15,520
pension it's barely enough to survive so

1355
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:18,579
he I think initially was was a little

1356
01:03:22,859 --> 01:03:20,470
resistant but then he decided any

1357
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,869
painting he'd sell he would repaint so

1358
01:03:26,849 --> 01:03:24,880
that he would still have it as a memory

1359
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:26,859
and since then he sold a few and movie

1360
01:03:33,870 --> 01:03:29,440
we'd been selling prints and giving him

1361
01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:33,880
my image now someone just has in the

1362
01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:35,470
chart room word that where can they see

1363
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:38,140
the artwork is there's actually did you

1364
01:03:43,050 --> 01:03:39,520
say you're selling prints so you have a

1365
01:03:44,910 --> 01:03:43,060
website yeah and I have a gallery up as

1366
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:44,920
well it's just love and saucers calm and

1367
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:47,050
there's a gallery link and we've posted

1368
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:48,990
like a bunch of his paintings there

1369
01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:51,010
there's prints there and then on the

1370
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:53,740
Facebook page like every other day we we

1371
01:04:00,260 --> 01:03:56,050
post a new high quality painting of his

1372
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:00,270
I see well someone wants to know had

1373
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:03,310
let's say asked if they projected a

1374
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:05,470
screen memory of the woman in other

1375
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:09,910
words a duh is it consideration that he

1376
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:13,119
may have had screen memories yeah I I

1377
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:16,240
think that that's definitely something

1378
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:19,569
to consider that that it you know a lot

1379
01:04:23,339 --> 01:04:20,890
of this could have been screen memories

1380
01:04:25,650 --> 01:04:23,349
in that what actually happened to him

1381
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:25,660
could have been like far more traumatic

1382
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:27,970
and scary and that

1383
01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:30,210
what he remembers is pleasant because

1384
01:04:35,339 --> 01:04:32,680
that's what he you know either wants to

1385
01:04:40,770 --> 01:04:35,349
remember or whoever wants him to

1386
01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:40,780
remember so this he all he had so

1387
01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:42,070
answering another question in the chat

1388
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:45,190
room all he had was conscious recall he

1389
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:48,010
never had anything that he like thought

1390
01:04:57,900 --> 01:04:53,530
of later or no he for the most part he

1391
01:05:00,210 --> 01:04:57,910
would forget when an experience would

1392
01:05:01,890 --> 01:05:00,220
happen it would sort of he'd remember

1393
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:01,900
and then it would sort of fade away like

1394
01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:05,410
an almost sort of like an amnesia and

1395
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:07,420
something she would hold on to as

1396
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:09,310
memories but it was the Budd Hopkins

1397
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:13,740
book that triggered sort of a flood of

1398
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:17,250
memories one after the other for decades

1399
01:05:23,849 --> 01:05:21,520
that really stuck afterwards so it

1400
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:23,859
really was the Budd Hopkins book that

1401
01:05:28,550 --> 01:05:25,750
was a trigger and a lot of the words in

1402
01:05:31,620 --> 01:05:28,560
the chapter called other women other men

1403
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:31,630
that that opened the floodgates for the

1404
01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:36,160
memories Wow amazing and let's see I

1405
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:39,400
know I had one other question that came

1406
01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:43,270
up did he remember them also in dreams

1407
01:05:51,540 --> 01:05:48,550
as well yeah yes and more later later in

1408
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:51,550
life as dreams and that's sort of how he

1409
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:54,720
sees them now and interestingly enough

1410
01:06:00,750 --> 01:05:58,240
before he saw the film he told me that

1411
01:06:03,329 --> 01:06:00,760
that the beings came to him in a dream

1412
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:03,339
and said that they they approve of the

1413
01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:05,710
film so we had extraterrestrial

1414
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:07,720
endorsement which felt pretty good I was

1415
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:10,030
actually worried that you know if the

1416
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:11,410
beings are real and they don't like the

1417
01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:14,290
film what would happen to me so you have

1418
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:16,300
do you have a little like alien stamp of

1419
01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:17,920
approval or something yeah

1420
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:20,020
well we haven't capitalized on that yet

1421
01:06:24,270 --> 01:06:22,540
but maybe maybe in the future yeah and

1422
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:24,280
they could maybe you can get them to

1423
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:27,369
have their own little rewards so I'm

1424
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,770
gonna offer call in every no one wants

1425
01:06:35,370 --> 01:06:31,839
to call in and that number is six oh

1426
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:35,380
three nine six seven four oh three oh if

1427
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:37,089
you're from out of the country start

1428
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:38,950
that with a one so that's six oh three

1429
01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:41,890
nine six seven four OH three oh you

1430
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:45,400
can call in or you can ask questions on

1431
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:48,070
chat and I'll get to them as soon as I

1432
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:49,930
can

1433
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:53,940
let's see was there an intention of a

1434
01:06:59,850 --> 01:06:58,000
breeding program per se not just with

1435
01:07:02,940 --> 01:06:59,860
him but well we actually have a caller

1436
01:07:03,980 --> 01:07:02,950
calling in right now so hang on just a

1437
01:07:08,430 --> 01:07:03,990
second

1438
01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:08,440
caller you're on the line your first

1439
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:09,820
name and where are you calling from

1440
01:07:14,610 --> 01:07:12,640
I don't new tablet or if I'm calling

1441
01:07:19,290 --> 01:07:14,620
from Florida from flow you're from

1442
01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:19,300
Florida as well how you doing great so

1443
01:07:26,910 --> 01:07:23,560
what's your Mike go ahead my question

1444
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:26,920
for Dillinger when he we're doing a

1445
01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:31,870
documentary was it oops looks like

1446
01:07:37,130 --> 01:07:35,140
you're we lost the call I'm sorry about

1447
01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:37,140
that

1448
01:07:44,790 --> 01:07:41,220
okay Brad are you there yeah I'm here

1449
01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:44,800
okay hang on just a second kind of

1450
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:46,900
really odd or there you are

1451
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:50,500
okay so delicious was there any

1452
01:08:00,210 --> 01:07:54,000
consideration about maybe he was getting

1453
01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:00,220
let's say sexually tortured or why

1454
01:08:08,030 --> 01:08:03,550
should they torture but criminal

1455
01:08:14,070 --> 01:08:08,040
activities were swarmed on him by baby

1456
01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:14,080
family or did you catch any of that no I

1457
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:16,840
didn't hear it you didn't hear any of it

1458
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,690
no well okay so that's not gonna work

1459
01:08:26,610 --> 01:08:25,120
that's strange that should have come

1460
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:26,620
through on all of our Skype but he

1461
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:29,770
wanted it was really cutting in and out

1462
01:08:34,590 --> 01:08:31,930
so we're gonna have to cancel I'm sorry

1463
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:34,600
to say this everyone because the guest

1464
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:36,370
was not able to hear that call we're

1465
01:08:39,450 --> 01:08:37,600
gonna have to can't we're gonna have to

1466
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:39,460
cancel calls for the evening until I

1467
01:08:43,890 --> 01:08:43,270
figure that out always work in progress

1468
01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:43,900
here

1469
01:08:49,620 --> 01:08:46,900
so please up if you're listening please

1470
01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:49,630
do sorry for the caller just then please

1471
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:51,670
type your question in the chat room and

1472
01:09:03,000 --> 01:08:57,230
but yeah about the breeding program

1473
01:09:06,860 --> 01:09:03,010
there was an instance where he did see a

1474
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:06,870
whole room of other people on the ship

1475
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:09,610
and believed that that those were other

1476
01:09:18,330 --> 01:09:12,940
people that were involved in in the

1477
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:18,340
breeding you mean like families or yeah

1478
01:09:24,540 --> 01:09:21,010
there's there's one painting he did and

1479
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:24,550
I think it's on our site yeah it looked

1480
01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:28,440
like there was 30 or 40 other people

1481
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:31,030
that were with the beings and it was the

1482
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:32,940
only time he saw other people with them

1483
01:09:39,450 --> 01:09:36,640
and believed that they were people that

1484
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:39,460
had similar experiences as him and it I

1485
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:42,250
guess it did seem like there was some

1486
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:44,860
type of breeding program going on okay

1487
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:49,960
so the question was the caller had had

1488
01:09:55,050 --> 01:09:53,110
David ever asked the ETS what their

1489
01:09:57,450 --> 01:09:55,060
intentions were in regards to her and

1490
01:09:59,370 --> 01:09:57,460
her species breeding and why they needed

1491
01:10:04,470 --> 01:09:59,380
hybrids that was actually a very good

1492
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:04,480
question and the answer is is I don't

1493
01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:07,810
think he ever directly asked them or if

1494
01:10:16,830 --> 01:10:10,870
he did he never got a straight answer so

1495
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:16,840
he only knee speculates that it was that

1496
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:18,790
they lost the ability to breed

1497
01:10:25,650 --> 01:10:23,110
themselves and needed human intervention

1498
01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:25,660
basically and that I mean that's sort of

1499
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:28,630
the logical answer as well but that's

1500
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:30,670
yeah that's that's as far as it went

1501
01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:34,090
and we have another one in here that

1502
01:10:40,890 --> 01:10:37,990
this gentleman J Allen writes we think

1503
01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:40,900
of gray's as bio helpers what species

1504
01:10:47,310 --> 01:10:43,780
was this man actually breeding with did

1505
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:47,320
he ever consider it a species yeah I

1506
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:48,670
think he thought of them as separate

1507
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:50,970
species and he thought of the women as

1508
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:54,010
hybrids themselves because you know

1509
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:55,600
they're around the same size as humans

1510
01:11:01,290 --> 01:10:59,440
they had all the the right parts and the

1511
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:01,300
only sort of different things was like

1512
01:11:07,170 --> 01:11:03,730
the eyes and the face and the the color

1513
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:07,180
of the skin and he made it with those

1514
01:11:11,610 --> 01:11:08,140
females those

1515
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:11,620
I've heard females alright okay

1516
01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:15,310
here's another question living with him

1517
01:11:20,010 --> 01:11:17,260
spending so much time with him how

1518
01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:20,020
consistent was he with his narrative of

1519
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:21,220
what happened to him

1520
01:11:28,050 --> 01:11:24,070
if you felt he was lying would you have

1521
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:28,060
been able would you have been okay with

1522
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:30,190
not completing the documentary if you

1523
01:11:36,450 --> 01:11:34,570
caught him lying so to answer the first

1524
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:36,460
question so yeah we filmed with him over

1525
01:11:40,890 --> 01:11:38,710
probably like four I've known him and

1526
01:11:44,940 --> 01:11:40,900
chatted with him for over five years six

1527
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:44,950
years well and not once did one detail

1528
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:48,400
ever change in any context with any of

1529
01:11:52,290 --> 01:11:50,050
the stories which was I think that's

1530
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:52,300
just impressive for like a seventy four

1531
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:54,730
year olds in general to have that kind

1532
01:12:03,300 --> 01:11:59,920
of like recall but yeah that that was

1533
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:03,310
another sort of point for him in in

1534
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:05,290
terms of believability was that he or

1535
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:07,210
that he wasn't making something up was

1536
01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:10,750
that he nothing ever changed and yeah if

1537
01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:14,590
if I found out that he was doing it you

1538
01:12:18,090 --> 01:12:16,150
know for other reasons like selling

1539
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:18,100
paintings or whatever else or he had

1540
01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:20,050
some kind of like scam in mind then that

1541
01:12:22,650 --> 01:12:21,340
would have been part of the film and

1542
01:12:24,990 --> 01:12:22,660
honestly probably would have made it

1543
01:12:27,450 --> 01:12:25,000
even more interesting as a film like add

1544
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:27,460
a whole other layer to it but but no it

1545
01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:29,770
was just David as what you see is what

1546
01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:32,790
you get oh that's that's that's great

1547
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:36,070
now there's a person in the chat room

1548
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:39,970
that says he's an experiencer as well

1549
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:42,010
and he wondered if David ever mentioned

1550
01:12:47,340 --> 01:12:46,390
anything about power outages no he

1551
01:12:49,860 --> 01:12:47,350
didn't

1552
01:12:52,110 --> 01:12:49,870
but what what he mentioned was that when

1553
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:52,120
when they were around even in like broad

1554
01:12:59,100 --> 01:12:55,570
daylight was that all there was just

1555
01:13:01,080 --> 01:12:59,110
complete silence he heard nothing at all

1556
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:01,090
so even there could be a dog barking a

1557
01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:03,160
horn honking and there was just utter

1558
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:07,150
silence now there's a question I think

1559
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:08,500
you've already you have already

1560
01:13:13,530 --> 01:13:11,230
addressed as someone wanted to know if

1561
01:13:15,570 --> 01:13:13,540
there was any possibility that the

1562
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:15,580
experience was related to sexual abuse

1563
01:13:20,490 --> 01:13:18,850
but you sort of touched on that didn't

1564
01:13:21,450 --> 01:13:20,500
you or you talked to that was physical

1565
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:21,460
abuse

1566
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:24,850
yeah so he he never I mean he he was

1567
01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:27,570
pretty open and candid telling me about

1568
01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:30,150
you know that he would get punished and

1569
01:13:39,870 --> 01:13:35,680
well KITT you know it just h valve isn't

1570
01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:39,880
that but he never ever mentioned sexual

1571
01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:42,430
abuse and it's possible that that that

1572
01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:43,630
happened and he didn't want to talk

1573
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:46,140
about it or that he didn't remember it

1574
01:13:54,900 --> 01:13:50,170
but he never told me about it and I'm

1575
01:13:56,730 --> 01:13:54,910
not sure if he would have either but

1576
01:13:59,100 --> 01:13:56,740
yeah it wasn't it wasn't discussed I

1577
01:14:04,590 --> 01:13:59,110
just don't know if he had ever been

1578
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:04,600
sexually abused okay now do you believe

1579
01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:07,300
there's this another question in here a

1580
01:14:11,730 --> 01:14:09,460
lot of questions are coming in so do you

1581
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:11,740
believe there's a chance his claims will

1582
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:14,340
prove to be true in the light of the

1583
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:18,340
recent UFO government revelations I

1584
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:19,570
don't know if you've even paid attention

1585
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:21,910
to any of that have you oh yeah I mean

1586
01:14:27,690 --> 01:14:25,480
yeah I've been following all of that and

1587
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:27,700
I think what what they're doing is

1588
01:14:32,460 --> 01:14:29,170
they're at least letting the

1589
01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:32,470
conversation go further in regards the

1590
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,820
topic but I don't see much overlap you

1591
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:39,520
know David's story it in the film isn't

1592
01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:42,310
about like evidence and and sort of like

1593
01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:44,740
hard data like these these government

1594
01:14:50,690 --> 01:14:46,660
sightings and reports are it's more

1595
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,700
about his experience in him as a person

1596
01:14:55,170 --> 01:14:52,960
so yeah there's not there's not too much

1597
01:14:59,310 --> 01:14:55,180
overlap but I do like that they at least

1598
01:15:01,440 --> 01:14:59,320
are furthering the conversation okay

1599
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:01,450
here's I think this is a good question

1600
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:04,330
did they ever teach him anything in

1601
01:15:10,530 --> 01:15:06,010
trade you know

1602
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:10,540
like language history origin stories or

1603
01:15:16,020 --> 01:15:14,650
anything interesting no they the only

1604
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:16,030
thing they ever are the only message

1605
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:19,840
they ever gave him was they were looking

1606
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:23,230
out at the Earth from the ship from afar

1607
01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:26,770
and the one of the beings was the tall

1608
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:29,260
thin guy just said it's a beautiful

1609
01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:31,090
planet you should keep it that way

1610
01:15:35,250 --> 01:15:34,060
and and that was the only message he was

1611
01:15:38,609 --> 01:15:35,260
ever given

1612
01:15:40,979 --> 01:15:38,619
and that's when you hear a lot yeah a

1613
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:40,989
lot of people talking about and you know

1614
01:15:49,979 --> 01:15:42,369
take care of the plane I think that's

1615
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:49,989
very very good advice and let's see you

1616
01:15:54,799 --> 01:15:52,570
know I'm going to it may have been

1617
01:15:57,629 --> 01:15:54,809
something that I did with the this Skype

1618
01:16:00,979 --> 01:15:57,639
so I will attempt to take another call

1619
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:00,989
someone wants to call in and that's 603

1620
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:04,090
967 403 Oh we'll try to take another

1621
01:16:14,669 --> 01:16:11,440
call and see if that works so when it

1622
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:14,679
comes to something happening like this

1623
01:16:19,859 --> 01:16:18,070
did he ever want to like get evidence of

1624
01:16:21,839 --> 01:16:19,869
it I mean that's the thing that I would

1625
01:16:24,839 --> 01:16:21,849
think of okay this is happening I think

1626
01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:24,849
it's happening to me I want some type of

1627
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:28,199
evidence that I can hold in my hand or

1628
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:31,510
yeah I don't think he he ever tried to

1629
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:34,260
like take something and a part of it is

1630
01:16:42,299 --> 01:16:38,530
he felt controlled when he was with them

1631
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:42,309
in a way maybe like psychologically

1632
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:46,239
controlled so he he basically would

1633
01:16:54,449 --> 01:16:51,130
would either feel paralyzed or or be

1634
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,459
complacent and do what they wanted so I

1635
01:16:57,509 --> 01:16:55,840
don't know if he could have grabbed

1636
01:16:59,009 --> 01:16:57,519
something and taken something even if

1637
01:17:01,709 --> 01:16:59,019
you wanted to or even if you could have

1638
01:17:05,689 --> 01:17:01,719
but he did when he was trying to figure

1639
01:17:08,939 --> 01:17:05,699
out if they were real he bought flowers

1640
01:17:11,729 --> 01:17:08,949
to give like real flowers to give to the

1641
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:11,739
female and put them on his like dresser

1642
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:15,130
in his bedroom and they came that night

1643
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:17,650
and when he woke up the flowers were

1644
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:19,329
gone well well that's the least you

1645
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:21,249
could do is buy yeah flowers for all

1646
01:17:27,569 --> 01:17:25,900
that activity was happening yeah let's

1647
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:27,579
see is there a possibility that these

1648
01:17:33,660 --> 01:17:29,400
events could be carried out by

1649
01:17:35,129 --> 01:17:33,670
clandestine human group posing as ETS

1650
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:35,139
that's a question in the chat room from

1651
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:38,170
Paul I think that that's a possibility

1652
01:17:44,879 --> 01:17:41,440
but it seems it seems so such a

1653
01:17:48,839 --> 01:17:44,889
difficult thing and convoluted thing to

1654
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:48,849
pull off and why

1655
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:51,489
for this one old guy you know from

1656
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,489
Georgia I could see maybe if they were

1657
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:56,560
doing it to like lots of people that

1658
01:18:00,359 --> 01:17:59,199
were influential in some way but you

1659
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:00,369
know David could have gone through his

1660
01:18:05,129 --> 01:18:03,310
whole life and not told anybody so I

1661
01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:05,139
don't know what the the purpose would

1662
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:07,000
have been unless it was you know to get

1663
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:10,690
some psychological data but that doesn't

1664
01:18:14,370 --> 01:18:12,730
seem I think definitely I know open to

1665
01:18:18,330 --> 01:18:14,380
the possibility but it doesn't seem very

1666
01:18:20,879 --> 01:18:18,340
likely what made him first come out with

1667
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:20,889
this publicly and talk talk about it do

1668
01:18:26,609 --> 01:18:24,329
you know I think he was always open to

1669
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:26,619
she talking about it if someone asked

1670
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:29,199
him but he never went out you know

1671
01:18:33,899 --> 01:18:31,210
there's a stigma against it he doesn't

1672
01:18:35,879 --> 01:18:33,909
want people to think he's crazy so like

1673
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:35,889
I talked to neighbors of his that had

1674
01:18:41,370 --> 01:18:37,329
known him for thirty years and didn't

1675
01:18:43,649 --> 01:18:41,380
know about these experiences he just

1676
01:18:46,350 --> 01:18:43,659
felt like that documentary would be a

1677
01:18:48,959 --> 01:18:46,360
way to do it because you could see and

1678
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:48,969
hear the whole story and and then judge

1679
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,750
from that so yeah it's it's really been

1680
01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:54,880
around and he did appear in one film

1681
01:18:58,830 --> 01:18:56,860
called the hidden hand I'm not sure if

1682
01:19:02,189 --> 01:18:58,840
people are familiar with but it was just

1683
01:19:05,310 --> 01:19:02,199
very sort of short short segment that

1684
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:05,320
was more about the idea of of

1685
01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:06,730
extraterrestrials and government

1686
01:19:14,339 --> 01:19:11,500
cover-up I see a question in there they

1687
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:14,349
wanted to know did the beings ever

1688
01:19:22,919 --> 01:19:20,650
indicate where they're from no no and he

1689
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:22,929
doesn't even assume that they're

1690
01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:25,690
extraterrestrial he says they could be

1691
01:19:32,180 --> 01:19:28,270
interdimensional or you know

1692
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:32,190
supernatural he doesn't he doesn't

1693
01:19:38,580 --> 01:19:35,770
assume anything and then they never told

1694
01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:38,590
him I never did another person wants to

1695
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:42,190
know did they ever say that at one day

1696
01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:44,170
he'd be called on for any type of task

1697
01:19:48,689 --> 01:19:45,880
or do you think that it was just a

1698
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:48,699
breeding thing he thinks that it was

1699
01:19:58,620 --> 01:19:54,690
just purely for breeding I see well okay

1700
01:20:00,330 --> 01:19:58,630
hang on just a minute I think that's it

1701
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,340
for right now again if someone wants to

1702
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:02,800
call in I will give it another try

1703
01:20:13,620 --> 01:20:11,710
603 9 6 7 403 oh the the people that I

1704
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:13,630
know there was that neighbor of that

1705
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:15,250
sits on the stairway and you know

1706
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:18,130
talking to him so people don't really in

1707
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:20,320
his group they don't really consider him

1708
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:25,840
a nut you know know everyone that knows

1709
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:28,450
him says he's like one of the nicest

1710
01:20:34,700 --> 01:20:31,570
most normal guys down-to-earth guys that

1711
01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:34,710
you'll meet he just happens to have this

1712
01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:36,700
completely out-of-this-world

1713
01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:39,640
story let's talk about his son Michael I

1714
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:41,620
think that's a that's kind of an

1715
01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:45,730
important part in your film so what was

1716
01:20:49,380 --> 01:20:47,500
that like talking to him and can you

1717
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:49,390
just tell the audience a little bit

1718
01:20:55,650 --> 01:20:51,940
about what he says yeah it was it was

1719
01:20:58,110 --> 01:20:55,660
really surprising because you know I

1720
01:21:01,950 --> 01:20:58,120
like I asked Adam down and asked him how

1721
01:21:04,020 --> 01:21:01,960
was your childhood and he said oh it was

1722
01:21:05,970 --> 01:21:04,030
just like a normal childhood and I was

1723
01:21:08,940 --> 01:21:05,980
like did anything strange or different

1724
01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:08,950
about you know you growing up and he was

1725
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:11,080
like no I was like well what about your

1726
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:15,520
father having had like hundreds of

1727
01:21:20,910 --> 01:21:16,810
extraterrestrial encounters he was like

1728
01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:20,920
oh yeah well that I guess so he to him

1729
01:21:27,690 --> 01:21:25,300
it was like not weird at all and was

1730
01:21:29,940 --> 01:21:27,700
just a fact of of his growing up was his

1731
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:29,950
dad painted these things and talked

1732
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:32,050
about these things and he believed his

1733
01:21:37,950 --> 01:21:36,400
dad and he believes in ETS visiting the

1734
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:37,960
planet but he's never seen one he's

1735
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:42,400
never experienced one he maybe thinks I

1736
01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:44,110
think that they're they're related to

1737
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:46,030
like supernatural experiences like

1738
01:21:51,230 --> 01:21:48,850
ghosts but yeah just

1739
01:21:55,260 --> 01:21:51,240
it was shocking almost how

1740
01:21:59,300 --> 01:21:55,270
matter-of-fact he was about at all and

1741
01:22:02,160 --> 01:21:59,310
that he he's like a pretty skeptical

1742
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:02,170
rational again down to earth like David

1743
01:22:07,380 --> 01:22:05,290
type of guy yeah but just accepted it

1744
01:22:08,730 --> 01:22:07,390
almost completely at face value just you

1745
01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:08,740
know Alyssa's dad and that's what his

1746
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:10,420
dad said happened to him so he believed

1747
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:13,090
it yeah actually when I was watching the

1748
01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:15,130
film that actually impressed me quite a

1749
01:22:21,630 --> 01:22:16,450
bit

1750
01:22:23,670 --> 01:22:21,640
as as logical as he seemed and how like

1751
01:22:26,670 --> 01:22:23,680
you said matter of fact matter of fact

1752
01:22:29,190 --> 01:22:26,680
basically yeah that was that was good

1753
01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:29,200
I'm glad you had him you know chime in

1754
01:22:37,290 --> 01:22:34,120
on it yeah and that he accepts his dad

1755
01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:37,300
the way the way he is that's it exactly

1756
01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:40,450
yeah no I mean I would have sorry

1757
01:22:46,620 --> 01:22:42,910
no go ahead dropped yeah I would have

1758
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:46,630
loved to have gotten his ex-wife in the

1759
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:50,050
film that you know was was planned from

1760
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:53,170
the beginning and I thought it would be

1761
01:22:58,170 --> 01:22:55,480
important to have a skeptical voice and

1762
01:22:59,640 --> 01:22:58,180
and but I I really wanted it to be

1763
01:23:02,820 --> 01:22:59,650
someone that knew David and who better

1764
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:02,830
than then his ex-wife who most likely

1765
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:06,790
divorced him because of the stories but

1766
01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:10,570
she I asked her about ten times in all

1767
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:13,750
various manners and she's perfectly nice

1768
01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:15,250
and perfectly friendly but she just

1769
01:23:22,290 --> 01:23:18,790
flat-out know every single time and just

1770
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:22,300
wanted nothing to do with the film which

1771
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:24,970
was sad but I think that that absence

1772
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:28,570
sort of speaks to what she would have

1773
01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:34,320
said anyways that you know doesn't good

1774
01:23:40,230 --> 01:23:38,200
right right now what about the audience

1775
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:40,240
and the screenings how has that been

1776
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:44,050
going Wow excellent so we we did like a

1777
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:47,440
Film Festival run across the country and

1778
01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:50,290
some other countries and just the

1779
01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:52,840
audience responses in each each part of

1780
01:23:58,530 --> 01:23:55,960
the country were so different um you

1781
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,540
know like Austin Texas at like a genre

1782
01:24:04,290 --> 01:24:00,400
film festival everyone was like you know

1783
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:04,300
super into it and laughing cheering but

1784
01:24:10,260 --> 01:24:08,710
then in like Utah for example it was a

1785
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:10,270
bit like people you know they still

1786
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:12,090
liked it but it was more sort of like a

1787
01:24:18,330 --> 01:24:15,490
bizarre fascination and then in Miami

1788
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:18,340
which is like you know I live here but I

1789
01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:20,410
gotta say it's not quite as cultured as

1790
01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:23,980
has a lot of other places people just

1791
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:26,190
sort of laughed at him as opposed to

1792
01:24:29,700 --> 01:24:29,170
laughing with I'm like he was more a

1793
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:29,710
little more

1794
01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:32,770
like a freak show sort of thing so yeah

1795
01:24:37,709 --> 01:24:34,630
each it's just been fascinating how each

1796
01:24:39,180 --> 01:24:37,719
audience were at reacts and actually had

1797
01:24:44,190 --> 01:24:39,190
about three or four people in different

1798
01:24:47,790 --> 01:24:44,200
places in the queue a share their own

1799
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:47,800
abduction or were UFO experiences that

1800
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:50,800
they had had long you know the 70s had

1801
01:24:55,410 --> 01:24:53,170
seen UFOs or had an experience with one

1802
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:55,420
so I thought it was nice that after

1803
01:25:00,300 --> 01:24:57,130
seeing the film people thought you know

1804
01:25:02,970 --> 01:25:00,310
it was a non-judgmental environment too

1805
01:25:04,890 --> 01:25:02,980
to bring up their own experiences wow

1806
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:04,900
that's an interesting aspect I would

1807
01:25:09,930 --> 01:25:07,840
have never thought of yeah yeah and how

1808
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:09,940
about David what did he what did he

1809
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:12,190
think of the film and his his son once

1810
01:25:17,790 --> 01:25:15,850
again did they actually attend like a

1811
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:17,800
screening together or something

1812
01:25:25,380 --> 01:25:22,510
no so I am vited David too many

1813
01:25:27,570 --> 01:25:25,390
screenings but here's the ironic part is

1814
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:27,580
that David's afraid to fly on airplanes

1815
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:31,330
uh-huh so he'll he'll fly on UFOs but

1816
01:25:37,290 --> 01:25:35,410
airplanes are too turbulent for him so

1817
01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:37,300
it would have had to have been a

1818
01:25:40,260 --> 01:25:39,190
screening in New York which we didn't

1819
01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:40,270
have

1820
01:25:48,209 --> 01:25:44,380
and then he mainly just watches films on

1821
01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:48,219
on VHS which is really hard actually now

1822
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:53,200
to get a dub of descent to him so for

1823
01:25:57,450 --> 01:25:55,030
the longest time like he just didn't see

1824
01:25:59,820 --> 01:25:57,460
the film and then eventually I made him

1825
01:26:02,790 --> 01:25:59,830
a DVD and and he got access to a DVD

1826
01:26:04,650 --> 01:26:02,800
player and watched it and and thankfully

1827
01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:04,660
he really liked it I was really worried

1828
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,280
I had no idea what he would think and if

1829
01:26:10,410 --> 01:26:08,080
he didn't like it I don't know what I

1830
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:10,420
would have done but he said he just

1831
01:26:13,670 --> 01:26:12,310
really enjoyed it and and that was it

1832
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:13,680
you know he's not a man of many words

1833
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:18,010
and just said he dug it oh that's great

1834
01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:21,070
yeah yeah a man without a computer it's

1835
01:26:30,620 --> 01:26:27,670
kind of hard to get a - yeah yeah so I'm

1836
01:26:33,570 --> 01:26:30,630
just trying to get these questions

1837
01:26:36,959 --> 01:26:33,580
organized do you know who I don't know

1838
01:26:40,459 --> 01:26:36,969
who this is but Antonio Villas yeah

1839
01:26:43,649 --> 01:26:40,469
villas-boas I think is the okay name so

1840
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:43,659
he's someone that oh the brazil abductee

1841
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:48,060
yeah okay a very similar experience to

1842
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:53,440
David but David didn't or wasn't aware

1843
01:27:00,000 --> 01:26:58,330
of him until much more recently I see it

1844
01:27:02,490 --> 01:27:00,010
does David is someone to know in the

1845
01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:02,500
chat does David himself ever do

1846
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,980
interviews he does yeah

1847
01:27:12,419 --> 01:27:07,840
and he's done a few since the films been

1848
01:27:14,220 --> 01:27:12,429
released like radio and and for articles

1849
01:27:18,090 --> 01:27:14,230
he's completely open to doing interviews

1850
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:18,100
all right let's call him right now get

1851
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:21,130
him on the line no that wouldn't be nice

1852
01:27:29,490 --> 01:27:25,840
to ambush him ambush him yeah yeah so

1853
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,500
while you were working on this film did

1854
01:27:33,330 --> 01:27:31,600
you think it needed more than you

1855
01:27:35,970 --> 01:27:33,340
already had I know you went to Rice

1856
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:35,980
University in Texas and you did that

1857
01:27:42,510 --> 01:27:38,290
interview but did you think you were

1858
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:42,520
getting enough by just having these

1859
01:27:47,879 --> 01:27:45,010
people involved or had you thought about

1860
01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:47,889
putting a skeptic in there as well I I

1861
01:27:51,959 --> 01:27:49,540
did that I was hoping that would be his

1862
01:27:55,290 --> 01:27:51,969
wife when I when I realized it wouldn't

1863
01:27:58,500 --> 01:27:55,300
I looked for like psychologists or

1864
01:28:03,260 --> 01:27:58,510
psychiatrists to to give their

1865
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perspective and one thing is that

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01:28:09,860 --> 01:28:04,989
psychiatrists are actually like not

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01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:09,870
allowed to diagnose or talk about

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01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,420
someone that isn't a patient of theirs

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01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,560
which was interesting to find out and

1870
01:28:20,129 --> 01:28:16,480
the reason why that that came out was

1871
01:28:21,899 --> 01:28:20,139
that when Trump took office you had a

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01:28:24,419 --> 01:28:21,909
lot of psychiatrists coming out and

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01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,429
saying that he's you know crazy or

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01:28:29,610 --> 01:28:26,880
mentally unfit and the american

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01:28:31,919 --> 01:28:29,620
psychological or psychiatric association

1876
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:31,929
was like you guys have to stop doing

1877
01:28:36,510 --> 01:28:33,850
that because it's actually like not

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01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:36,520
allowed within the association to

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01:28:44,729 --> 01:28:41,710
diagnose like that so yeah so I actually

1880
01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:44,739
couldn't get them to talk about him and

1881
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:47,350
then just started thinking about it that

1882
01:28:52,919 --> 01:28:51,010
I felt like the the audience is the

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01:28:56,010 --> 01:28:52,929
skeptic in this case like even yourself

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01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:56,020
who's very open-minded to this sort of

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01:28:59,020 --> 01:28:56,960
thing

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01:29:01,660 --> 01:28:59,030
you're coming at it from a skeptical

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01:29:06,729 --> 01:29:01,670
viewpoint and that you didn't need

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01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:06,739
someone on screen saying I think it's

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01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:07,280
[\h__\h]

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01:29:12,189 --> 01:29:09,050
you know what would that have actually

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01:29:13,930 --> 01:29:12,199
added to the film and I don't think it

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01:29:18,130 --> 01:29:13,940
would have changed anyone's mind either

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01:29:21,130 --> 01:29:18,140
way and I think like that's what 99% of

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01:29:23,140 --> 01:29:21,140
the coverage of this sort of stuff is is

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01:29:25,689 --> 01:29:23,150
look at this crazier look at this quack

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01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:25,699
so I didn't want to further that

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01:29:31,870 --> 01:29:28,790
narrative yeah you know I can't see that

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01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,880
working easily enough you know I mean if

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01:29:36,340 --> 01:29:33,920
you had someone debating him it would be

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01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:36,350
more like a confrontation couldn't

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01:29:40,090 --> 01:29:38,449
exactly yeah yeah I wouldn't have gone

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01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:40,100
anywhere not productive yeah

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01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:43,310
now is he still painting these narrowed

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01:29:48,850 --> 01:29:46,489
the same narrative he is yeah he still

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01:29:52,450 --> 01:29:48,860
he still paints experiences not quite as

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01:29:55,660 --> 01:29:52,460
much and also because he's covered so

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01:29:57,580 --> 01:29:55,670
many of them now but it seems like he

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01:30:01,209 --> 01:29:57,590
just does a few paintings a year whereas

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01:30:04,630 --> 01:30:01,219
before he would do you know one every

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01:30:06,850 --> 01:30:04,640
week or or more one every week that's

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01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:06,860
that's yeah that's quite a bit I mean he

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01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,400
must have a pile I saw it's incredible

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01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:12,560
yeah when you walk I walked into his

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01:30:17,649 --> 01:30:14,210
studio the first time I was just like

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01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:17,659
hundreds like just stacked five six

1916
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:19,489
paintings deep all around the room and

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01:30:23,979 --> 01:30:21,650
all along the wall and in his bedroom

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01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:23,989
and just like yeah everywhere these

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01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:29,570
amazing paintings okay does he do now

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01:30:33,130 --> 01:30:31,840
this is I'm a bit of a painter myself

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01:30:35,890 --> 01:30:33,140
okay

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01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:35,900
does he do anything else or does he just

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01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:38,960
do just this narrative now is that's and

1924
01:30:45,939 --> 01:30:42,650
that's it he I think he still does some

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01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:45,949
some like landscapes and still lives but

1926
01:30:50,620 --> 01:30:48,770
you know they're not nearly as

1927
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:50,630
interesting as his yeah abduction

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01:30:55,660 --> 01:30:52,610
paintings little tiny alien in the

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01:30:57,220 --> 01:30:55,670
middle and exactly yeah yeah it makes it

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01:30:59,439 --> 01:30:57,230
completely transforms the painting like

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01:31:01,979 --> 01:30:59,449
if you covered up the alien with your

1932
01:31:03,939 --> 01:31:01,989
thumb it's just an unremarkable

1933
01:31:05,950 --> 01:31:03,949
impressionist a clan scape but as soon

1934
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:05,960
as you take your thumb away it's like a

1935
01:31:10,900 --> 01:31:10,070
bizarre captivating image yeah yeah so

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01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:10,910
what about

1937
01:31:16,630 --> 01:31:13,930
his future is he does he feel like

1938
01:31:18,850 --> 01:31:16,640
things have run its course and you know

1939
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:18,860
this is his story and that's basically

1940
01:31:21,610 --> 01:31:19,280
it

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01:31:23,860 --> 01:31:21,620
yeah yeah I think so and I think he's a

1942
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:23,870
little sad because of it he misses them

1943
01:31:27,730 --> 01:31:26,690
and wishes these experiences could

1944
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:27,740
actually continue

1945
01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:29,930
he even wishes he could he could join

1946
01:31:35,020 --> 01:31:32,630
them or spend more time with them but I

1947
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:35,030
think he's he's realized that the ship

1948
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:38,510
has sailed and you know he's he's stuck

1949
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:44,330
here on her now was he the the thing I

1950
01:31:48,010 --> 01:31:45,530
was thinking about earlier you know I

1951
01:31:51,150 --> 01:31:48,020
asked you if if anything ever happened

1952
01:31:55,090 --> 01:31:51,160
while he was in his marriage you said no

1953
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:55,100
do you feel as though that if they were

1954
01:31:59,890 --> 01:31:57,410
monitoring him that their respect rule

1955
01:32:02,260 --> 01:31:59,900
were respectful of that or do you think

1956
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:02,270
I mean D talk about having other

1957
01:32:08,050 --> 01:32:04,370
relationships were things worth going on

1958
01:32:12,250 --> 01:32:08,060
at the same time or they talk about when

1959
01:32:13,870 --> 01:32:12,260
he was younger he felt as though they

1960
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:13,880
were keeping him from having normal

1961
01:32:21,370 --> 01:32:16,970
human relationships and I believe in

1962
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:21,380
most of his young adult life he he did

1963
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:25,130
not have sexual relations with human

1964
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:28,730
women that it was only Crescent pretty

1965
01:32:34,210 --> 01:32:31,970
much until his marriage in Crescent was

1966
01:32:36,850 --> 01:32:34,220
the name of yeah that was a female

1967
01:32:39,850 --> 01:32:36,860
bailing him girlfriends or whatever

1968
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:39,860
doing a great weight whatever you want

1969
01:32:44,170 --> 01:32:41,840
to call her yeah so I was just wondering

1970
01:32:45,850 --> 01:32:44,180
if you know like if these things were

1971
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:45,860
happening while he was in a relationship

1972
01:32:51,730 --> 01:32:48,770
did he feel like he was being unfaithful

1973
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:51,740
or you know I mean is that all part of

1974
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:55,520
the mix psychologically I don't think so

1975
01:33:02,050 --> 01:32:58,610
but he definitely felt like he was being

1976
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:02,060
kept from from having like normal human

1977
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:04,510
relations well well he was with them

1978
01:33:10,060 --> 01:33:07,850
yeah I mean I don't know I have thought

1979
01:33:12,190 --> 01:33:10,070
about you know some of the abduction

1980
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:12,200
stories that I've heard and I don't know

1981
01:33:16,420 --> 01:33:14,570
how people can function at all you know

1982
01:33:19,690 --> 01:33:16,430
I mean having sure yeah something like

1983
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:19,700
that going on I mean I just don't know

1984
01:33:24,910 --> 01:33:23,450
how I you can't hide from it but he

1985
01:33:27,130 --> 01:33:24,920
never felt like this was a

1986
01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:27,140
scary situation he never felt

1987
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:29,900
intimidated or right

1988
01:33:33,550 --> 01:33:31,489
he actually right yeah it was it was

1989
01:33:40,860 --> 01:33:33,560
only the first few encounters when he

1990
01:33:44,729 --> 01:33:40,870
was that were scary Thunder from them

1991
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:44,739
sticking the device or probe up his nose

1992
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:47,920
he enjoyed it was all sort of

1993
01:33:52,930 --> 01:33:51,010
interesting and and enjoyable for him

1994
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:52,940
yeah that's something

1995
01:33:59,050 --> 01:33:55,280
how about Bobby wants to know was there

1996
01:34:01,180 --> 01:33:59,060
any type of paranormal other paranormal

1997
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:01,190
activity that happened in his house or

1998
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:04,250
around him or anything not that anyone

1999
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:05,810
else noticed like we had brothers and

2000
01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:08,719
sisters and his parents never noticed

2001
01:34:14,939 --> 01:34:10,280
anything

2002
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:14,949
David had other paranormal experiences

2003
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:18,800
like knowing when his mother died across

2004
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:20,690
the country he just sort of had a

2005
01:34:24,939 --> 01:34:23,449
feeling and then had a dream about it

2006
01:34:28,590 --> 01:34:24,949
and then found out in the morning that

2007
01:34:31,930 --> 01:34:28,600
that his mother had died so so sort of

2008
01:34:35,890 --> 01:34:31,940
precognitive or telepathic experiences

2009
01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:35,900
like that he had yet had yeah Wow

2010
01:34:41,169 --> 01:34:38,420
I know that some people that claim that

2011
01:34:45,459 --> 01:34:41,179
they are having experiences you know

2012
01:34:46,990 --> 01:34:45,469
will gain you know something you know we

2013
01:34:48,729 --> 01:34:47,000
talked about this earlier he didn't

2014
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,739
really gain anything any language any

2015
01:34:53,050 --> 01:34:50,480
gifts any traits or anything like that

2016
01:34:56,740 --> 01:34:53,060
but some people have like an enhancement

2017
01:35:01,050 --> 01:34:56,750
of something other than his art he never

2018
01:35:05,890 --> 01:35:01,060
talked about anything no no just that um

2019
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:05,900
he's for like a 74 75 year old he

2020
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:07,730
actually seems like to be in really good

2021
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:08,239
shape

2022
01:35:12,729 --> 01:35:10,190
like he's way more flexible than me he

2023
01:35:17,070 --> 01:35:12,739
sits in the full lotus position and like

2024
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:17,080
does yoga and and all that well okay so

2025
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:20,090
if I'm gonna ask if there's any calls

2026
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:23,210
that anyone would like to call in one

2027
01:35:30,850 --> 01:35:24,560
more time that number is six oh three

2028
01:35:34,689 --> 01:35:30,860
nine six seven 403 oh and did they want

2029
01:35:37,689 --> 01:35:34,699
to know did he was he like I believe you

2030
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:37,699
I believe this is in the film he is sort

2031
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:38,810
of like frozen or

2032
01:35:44,170 --> 01:35:42,290
can't move right yeah yeah he felt sort

2033
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:44,180
of paralyzed especially during the

2034
01:35:53,290 --> 01:35:49,630
sexual encounters now you'll have a some

2035
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:53,300
psychologists have claimed that this you

2036
01:35:59,290 --> 01:35:56,930
know these experiences are just what

2037
01:36:01,960 --> 01:35:59,300
they call it sleep paralysis right yeah

2038
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:01,970
but I mean he was awake right when a lot

2039
01:36:08,440 --> 01:36:04,250
of things according to him yeah I like

2040
01:36:12,190 --> 01:36:08,450
it yeah most of them when he was younger

2041
01:36:14,440 --> 01:36:12,200
were like daytime waking experiences so

2042
01:36:17,890 --> 01:36:14,450
sleep paralysis wouldn't fit the bill

2043
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:17,900
but it's possible that for some of the

2044
01:36:23,770 --> 01:36:19,970
nighttime ones when he was older that it

2045
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:23,780
that it is but yeah like I've read

2046
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:25,610
reports of sleep paralysis and I've seen

2047
01:36:29,620 --> 01:36:27,650
that film the nightmare the documentary

2048
01:36:31,690 --> 01:36:29,630
about it and none of them are like

2049
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:31,700
pleasant erotic experiences they're all

2050
01:36:39,580 --> 01:36:36,800
like nightmarish experiences well yeah

2051
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:39,590
I think we're gonna be calling it a day

2052
01:36:44,980 --> 01:36:41,930
we have some buffering issues here but

2053
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,990
um but I want to thank you so much and

2054
01:36:51,460 --> 01:36:47,600
yeah let's talk about where people can

2055
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:51,470
get ahold of you yeah so everything is

2056
01:36:56,230 --> 01:36:54,110
on love and saucers calm there's

2057
01:36:59,010 --> 01:36:56,240
streaming links to see the film there's

2058
01:37:03,100 --> 01:36:59,020
a trailer there's you can see prints

2059
01:37:05,650 --> 01:37:03,110
ordered DVDs gallery get in contact with

2060
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:05,660
us it's all there and then we're also on

2061
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:08,090
Facebook lovin saucers and Twitter at

2062
01:37:14,530 --> 01:37:10,970
love and saucers okay the buffering

2063
01:37:16,570 --> 01:37:14,540
issue just hopped I mean we can continue

2064
01:37:18,940 --> 01:37:16,580
going on but I think I'm pretty much out

2065
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:18,950
of questions but I'm just gonna ask one

2066
01:37:23,950 --> 01:37:20,510
more time if there's anyone that has

2067
01:37:27,010 --> 01:37:23,960
another question and it's it's been a

2068
01:37:29,860 --> 01:37:27,020
lot of fun it's an interesting topic you

2069
01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:29,870
know regardless of whether I believe it

2070
01:37:36,670 --> 01:37:32,510
or not it's still interesting and I'm

2071
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:36,680
glad that glad that you won't that you

2072
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:38,690
did this I mean that that takes courage

2073
01:37:42,580 --> 01:37:40,850
to do a film like this and you did a

2074
01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:42,590
wonderful job Ivor so you have a lot of

2075
01:37:47,050 --> 01:37:45,160
money into it and did a nice job on it

2076
01:37:49,420 --> 01:37:47,060
thank you so much yeah thank you for

2077
01:37:51,220 --> 01:37:49,430
having me on it was fun especially the

2078
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:51,230
chat here and and getting all the

2079
01:37:55,390 --> 01:37:52,489
questions from from less

2080
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:55,400
it's really unique yes all right are you

2081
01:38:00,850 --> 01:37:57,110
take care thanks everyone

2082
01:38:04,959 --> 01:38:00,860
all right okay everyone so thank you so

2083
01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:04,969
much we are back next week we have Marie

2084
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:11,270
from Montana and she is a MUFON member

2085
01:38:16,090 --> 01:38:14,510
and her last name is Cisneros I believe

2086
01:38:18,610 --> 01:38:16,100
and I have a hard time pronouncing that

2087
01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:18,620
I will get that down by the time I have

2088
01:38:23,530 --> 01:38:20,510
the show we're gonna be talking about

2089
01:38:24,850 --> 01:38:23,540
Montana and UFOs and missiles and all

2090
01:38:27,070 --> 01:38:24,860
that it's going to be a great show and

2091
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:27,080
that's at the regular time 8 o'clock

2092
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:29,450
next week and so if you're listening now

2093
01:38:34,330 --> 01:38:31,310
you're either supporting the show or

2094
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:34,340
you're listening or watching on YouTube

2095
01:38:41,380 --> 01:38:39,350
thank you everyone and it's my pleasure

2096
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:41,390
to be telling you that I'm going to be

2097
01:38:46,420 --> 01:38:44,810
out in Arizona in two weeks so if

2098
01:38:48,700 --> 01:38:46,430
anyone's going to be attending that the

2099
01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:48,710
International UFO Congress please look

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01:38:52,450 --> 01:38:50,540
me up I'd love to hang out with you I'm

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01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:52,460
going to be broadcasting live from there

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01:38:57,729 --> 01:38:55,310
a couple hours earlier so that show will

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be 6:00 to 8:00 Eastern Standard Time

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instead of the regular 8:00 to 10:00

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01:39:04,420 --> 01:39:02,870
Eastern Standard Time thanks again

2106
01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:04,430
everyone and I want to thank a few

2107
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:08,450
people Peggy for managing the Facebook

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01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:11,330
page you can check us out our Facebook

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01:39:16,630 --> 01:39:14,080
page has 20-some 1000 people on it and

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01:39:18,340 --> 01:39:16,640
Peggy is posting something almost every

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single day on there

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01:39:25,660 --> 01:39:21,920
I want to thank Alejandro Rojas for the

2113
01:39:28,900 --> 01:39:25,670
UFO updates our guest of course Brad

2114
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:28,910
Abraham's and Evan the producer for

2115
01:39:35,290 --> 01:39:32,510
helping us out on the YouTube behind the

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scenes and audio and all that so

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everyone thanks so much and remember to